Bill of Sale for firearm transactions

Posted by: TMVA

Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 03/25/12 08:33 AM

Written by an attorney in Virginia. I formatted it for ease of use and converted it to a PDF.

Posted as a courtesy to VGT members.

Scroll down to image below. Right click and print or save.
Posted by: Ledchunkr

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 03/25/12 08:57 AM

Thanks for reposting TMVA.
Posted by: TMVA

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 04/23/12 12:18 PM

Here's what it looks like:
Posted by: rzrbak

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 04/24/12 09:01 AM

exactly what i was looking for. thanks for the post!
Posted by: TMVA

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 04/24/12 10:36 AM

You can use the link to download the .PDF or you can right click the image and save it as a .JPG.
Posted by: Tedzilla

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 08/20/12 06:23 PM

TMVA,
Thanks for taking the time to do this. Just what's needed, easy to find...
Regards,
Ted
Posted by: jasonw43

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 09/11/12 11:24 PM

Very nice. Thanks
Posted by: Immortal Chaff

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 09/25/12 10:13 PM

Thank you for this very helpful info. Greatly appreciated!!!
Posted by: JG

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 12/02/12 10:52 PM

There has been quite a lot of discussion on Bills of Sales lately - just want to clarify for anyone who may be confused:
1. BOS is not required by VA law
2. BOS is not required by this site
3. BOS is soley up to the discretion of the seller
4. Requirement for BOS should be communicated to the buyer prior to the deal.
5. Any buyer who refuses to sign BOS should not and will not be looked upon as if he/she has done anything wrong.
6. It is not recommended to provide anything that could be used by identity thieves - including, but not limited to - Address, DL #, SSN, photos of DL
7. Personally, I provide- name, City, ST, and Signature - nothing more is necessary for seller's records.

JG
Posted by: rromeo

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 12/04/12 09:18 AM

Originally Posted By: JG
There has been quite a lot of discussion on Bills of Sales lately - just want to clarify for anyone who may be confused:
1. BOS is not required by VA law
2. BOS is not required by this site
3. BOS is soley up to the discretion of the seller
4. Requirement for BOS should be communicated to the buyer prior to the deal.
5. Any buyer who refuses to sign BOS should not and will not be looked upon as if he/she has done anything wrong.
6. It is not recommended to provide anything that could be used by identity thieves - including, but not limited to - Address, DL #, SSN, photos of DL
7. Personally, I provide- name, City, ST, and Signature - nothing more is necessary for seller's records.

JG

Thank you.
Posted by: BOM1911

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 12/04/12 09:47 AM

Well said JG. I would add that sellers requiring multiple pieces of ID (not required by law) should also communicate that prior to the sale.
Posted by: TMVA

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 12/04/12 05:04 PM

I agree with everything said.

There are other factors one may consider in the decision to obtain a BoS when a firearm is transferred between individuals:

Seller- the BoS provides proof of the date of disposal. This could be very important if the gun is later used in the commission of a crime and could be traced to you.

Buyer- BoS provides proof of acquisition date if the gun is later discovered to be evidence to a crime that occurred before the transaction took place.

In summary, the BoS protects both individuals in one way or the other and is a good thing to have on file. Information about the individuals should be sufficient to identify each person if they become the subject of an investigation. Sensitive personal info is not necessary, but a lack of info that would create a dead end during a police investigation would make the BoS useless as evidence in your defense.

This is not meant as a recommendation one way or another.

The BoS was posted as a courtesy for our members who wish to use it.
Posted by: user

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 12/24/12 09:58 AM

I prefer the bill of sale form I wrote as I originally drafted it. Only problem is, I had it on my website, then switched host system providers, so it's no longer accessible at the moment. Anyone who wants one can send me an email (not a pm) and I'll email back a copy in PDF format.

I think that the lawyer from whom the OP (quite innocently) got the form he's using had adapted mine, hence the similarity in language. However, some of the things that were omitted in an attempt to simplify the form were things that I think are legally important for protecting both parties in the event of any kind of criminal prosecution or other litigation. See, the purpose of the form, by my lights, is not to help with the purchase and sale of a firearm. It's to provide defensive evidence in the event something bad happens down the road.
Posted by: VaGunTrader

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 12/24/12 12:52 PM

Here is USERS email - vgt-user@virginialegaldefense.com
we need to figure out how to get that form on here as a link.
any ideas guys?
Posted by: TMVA

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 12/26/12 08:34 AM

Originally Posted By: TMVA
You can use the link to download the .PDF or you can right click the image and save it as a .JPG.

Posted by: VaGunTrader

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 12/26/12 09:50 AM

does this work?
hmm, didnt turn out that good

Posted by: stuffbuyin

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 03/22/13 09:55 PM

Hi JG,
Are you still the moderator of the VAGT website? VAGunTraderAdministrader at the following post said this:

http://www.vaguntrader.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/439942/1#.UU0JrzfzlJQ

Concerning bill of sales (BOS) Who is more correct you as the moderator or VAGunTrader as the administrator. Administrater VAGunTrader used a BOS from texasguntrader.com web site. I like your version of BOS requirements better at your post:

http://www.vaguntrader.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/296625#Post296625's



Which policy is the correct one?

stuffbuyin
Posted by: JG

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 03/23/13 11:36 AM

Hi Stuffbuyin,
In response to your questions :
1- Yes, I am one of the moderators on this site
2- Admin out ranks moderator (VAGUNTRADER is also the owner of the site)
3- There is no law or actual enforceable site rule/ policy governing BOS for private party transactions - only recommendations - please use your best judgement.
4- Because there are mixed opinions on how BOS (or lack thereof) should be handled , it is recommended that the parties involved in the transaction work out the details prior to meeting up for the deal.
Posted by: UBETRUN

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 03/23/13 05:33 PM

I am curious why participation on this board includes a recommendation for a BoS when the law doesn't require it and nobody has been hassled for not having one? I see the moderator comments in this thread and think they are accurate and logical but when I visited the site today, I had to accept the board rules which included a recommendation to use a BoS. Not trying to cause trouble, trying to understand what why some believe a BoS is a good idea, what exactly will a BoS accomplish for a buyer and/or seller? And please, no irrational fear comments about "getting ATF attention" or being "put on a list", I'm asking a serious question and hoping that someone can explain what I'm obviously not understanding. Thanks!
Posted by: JoeShmoe

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 03/23/13 05:56 PM

Might not be a bad idea to have one if-

A. You purchase a stolen firearm

B. You sell a firearm and it ends up at a crime scene.
Posted by: handgun man

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 04/05/13 08:08 PM

Funny, but when I ask a question, and get an answer, it comes from a fellow believer. Many thanks from one G&Gs guy to another.
Posted by: GunDoggy

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 04/30/13 04:40 PM

Originally Posted By: TMVA
Written by an attorney in Virginia. I formatted it for ease of use and converted it to a PDF.

Posted as a courtesy to VGT members.

http://www.freedrive.com/file/1595948


This download appears to be corrupted. Will not complete.
Posted by: GunDoggy

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 04/30/13 04:44 PM

I would never buy or sell a firearm without a BoS.

If nothing else but to determine a concrete, exact Date and Time of change of custody.

But that's just me smile
Posted by: TMVA

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 05/08/13 02:09 PM

Originally Posted By: GunDoggy
Originally Posted By: TMVA
Written by an attorney in Virginia. I formatted it for ease of use and converted it to a PDF.

Posted as a courtesy to VGT members.

http://www.freedrive.com/file/1595948


This download appears to be corrupted. Will not complete.


Scroll down to the reply of April 23. The image of the BoS is in that reply. Right click in the image and save it to your computer.
Posted by: TMVA

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 05/08/13 02:11 PM

Originally Posted By: UBETRUN
I am curious why participation on this board includes a recommendation for a BoS when the law doesn't require it and nobody has been hassled for not having one? I see the moderator comments in this thread and think they are accurate and logical but when I visited the site today, I had to accept the board rules which included a recommendation to use a BoS. Not trying to cause trouble, trying to understand what why some believe a BoS is a good idea, what exactly will a BoS accomplish for a buyer and/or seller? And please, no irrational fear comments about "getting ATF attention" or being "put on a list", I'm asking a serious question and hoping that someone can explain what I'm obviously not understanding. Thanks!


If you read the reply of Dec 4th, it offers a little more insight as to why someone may want to use a BoS.
Posted by: mrdcjohn

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 05/23/13 01:55 PM

link is dead ? at least I wasn't able to open it on two different pcs
Posted by: SeaCoaster

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 05/30/13 01:15 PM

Bummer

http://www.freedrive.com/file/1595948,bill-of-sale-for-firearm.pdf

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Posted by: Lorelei

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 12/26/14 03:58 AM

Originally Posted By: JG
There has been quite a lot of discussion on Bills of Sales lately - just want to clarify for anyone who may be confused:
1. BOS is not required by VA law
2. BOS is not required by this site
3. BOS is soley up to the discretion of the seller
4. Requirement for BOS should be communicated to the buyer prior to the deal.
5. Any buyer who refuses to sign BOS should not and will not be looked upon as if he/she has done anything wrong.
6. It is not recommended to provide anything that could be used by identity thieves - including, but not limited to - Address, DL #, SSN, photos of DL
7. Personally, I provide- name, City, ST, and Signature - nothing more is necessary for seller's records.

JG


This is where I stand on BOS. I'll sign it and give you my name, but you're not getting my address or DL #. And don't even think of taking a picture of my ID. I've seen a couple ads that said that was required, I just closed that page. One was a gun that I'd have bought if not for the seller's requirements.
Posted by: user

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 09/02/15 12:51 PM

I don't know what copies are floating around, or how they've been modified, so I suggest you download the original. Go to my website: Virginia Legal Defense website and scroll down the page to the second entry under "useful stuff" - right click on the link and do a "save as" to get the pdf form bill of sale. By the way, the second page is just instructions, and there is a discussion explaining why both the buyer and the seller need to have that form executed.
Posted by: user

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 06/15/18 10:41 AM

Since I posted last on this topic, I have retired from the practice of law, and the Virginia Legal Defense website is no longer active.

I have also revised my standard form (some of which was plagiarized to make that other form posted on this thread) which I will email in PDF format to anyone who wants it - send me an email at vgt@defenserights.org.
Posted by: user

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 05/11/21 04:22 PM

Originally Posted By: UBETRUN
I am curious why participation on this board includes a recommendation for a BoS when the law doesn't require it and nobody has been hassled for not having one? I see the moderator comments in this thread and think they are accurate and logical but when I visited the site today, I had to accept the board rules which included a recommendation to use a BoS. Not trying to cause trouble, trying to understand what why some believe a BoS is a good idea, what exactly will a BoS accomplish for a buyer and/or seller? And please, no irrational fear comments about "getting ATF attention" or being "put on a list", I'm asking a serious question and hoping that someone can explain what I'm obviously not understanding. Thanks!


Please read the second page of my BoS PDF which contains explanations and instructions that I think will answer your questions. Changes in Va. law do not affect any part of the BoS that I drafted, by the way, and I am still happy to send a copy to anyone who emails me with a simple request. I would point out that I do not save such requests, the originating email address. or any part thereof. Being fully and finally retired from the practice of law and having no other commercial interests, I have no use for any data receive, nor do I transfer the data to anyone else.
Posted by: Rumor690 BANNED SCAMMER

Re: Bill of Sale for firearm transactions - 04/09/22 07:35 PM

Thank you for the post.