Felons now using CHP's

Posted by: s70l3n

Felons now using CHP's - 08/15/17 06:02 PM

Just wanted everyone to know...
I operate an FFL in NOVA and someone was arrested in my store last week which I found odd seeing as he had a CHP in his name matching his physical address. After the arrest I asked how this was possible and the detective said that it is possible for a felon to get a CHP if some rights were restored, however the right to purchase and possess is still not permissible. As ridiculous as this sounds it actually happened.
I dont want to see anyone here get in trouble for falling for this.
ALWAYS GET A BILL OF SALE!!!
Posted by: CoastieKid

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 08/15/17 09:42 PM

What the frack? If you're legally barred from owning firearms how can you be issued a CHP? That makes absolutely no sense. Either your rights are restored or they are not. There has to be more to this...just my .2
Posted by: num1fordfan

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 08/15/17 09:56 PM

Yea this makes no sense at all
Posted by: s70l3n

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 08/16/17 01:00 PM

I dont get it either. The detective that briefly spoke with me wasn't too inviting on explaining the situation further. The only thing that supports his argument is that the perp got arrested for attempting to buy a firearm as a felon despite the fact that his CHP matched his DL and his DL matched his description. Again, something that I dont understand but an even better reason to always get a BOS.
Posted by: nvcdl

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 08/16/17 07:22 PM

Might have been convicted after his permit was issued. I suspect most courts don't do any follow up after issuance.

In any event a Bill of Sale offers no protection - if anything just provides additional evidence against you.

If you sell a gun in good faith you have little to fear - if you sell a gun to a prohibited person and they can prove you knew the person was prohibited you will be in trouble.
Posted by: golfdog

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 08/16/17 10:59 PM

State restoration of all civil rights does not remove the disabilities imposed as a result of a federal conviction. The Supreme Court has held that persons convicted of federal felonies remain subject to the federal firearms disability until their rights are restored through a federal, not state, procedure. For more information concerning this process please contact the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. from ATF webpage

FYI
Posted by: haulingman

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 08/22/17 06:06 AM

A bill of sale does absolutely nothing but create voluntary gun registration. Many travel to the capital to protest gun control and advocate for freedom and then preach that we should be doing Bill of Sale on transactions between private citizens. confused

A bill of sale doesn't remove civil liability if you sell to a person banned due to mental illness and that individual harms someone. You can still be sued. The whole idea that if a firearm you sell is used in a crime you are automatically liable is laughable. The idea that you have to have records of a firearm you sold in case of it latter being used in a crime is FALSE. " The police will show up at your door demanding answers" is even more laughable. You can and should close the door and say nothing. We have something called a 5th amendment in this country. Criminal prosecution requires the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you knowingly sold to a prohibited person. I don't think anyone on this site is doing this. I certainly have seen ZERO evidence of it. Everyone I have dealt from here has been wonderful, honest and kind.

With respect to the prohibited person getting a permit, that shows the failures of government licencing, permitting and controlling commerce. Most of this is done to tax tax tax and control the people and their property. It has nothing to do with crime control. There are so many illegally owned weapons now its a joke. For the right price criminals can buy class 3 weapons stolen from National Guard Armories. They don't need a gun store or VA gun trader to arm up. The gentleman with the permit probably made a honest mistake. If he was really attempting to commit a crime he wouldn't be walking into a pawn shop and filling out paper work. If on a jury I would find him not guilty.
Posted by: tonyglock40man

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 09/06/17 02:51 PM

Good ol mccauliffe and his bass ackwards democratic logic
Posted by: Enbloc

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 09/07/17 01:22 PM

CHP is not exclusively for guns. It also allows you to legally conceal other "weapons" like certain knives among other things. So that's why a felon might want one even if they can't legally own a gun. They can still own a knife/handheld weapon. I'm cool with it, and it shows they are responsible enough to seek a legal way to conceal a knife or other tool.. If they intended to do harm, they would conceal anyway.

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_ResidentConcealed.shtm

Edit: Also +1 to haulingman's comment
Posted by: the cwa

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 09/09/17 03:05 PM

From the link above:

"Persons Not Qualified to Obtain a Permit Section 18.2-308.09

1.An individual who is ineligible to possess a firearm pursuant to Section 18.2-308.1:1, 18.2-308.1:2 or Section 18.2-308.1:3 or the substantially similar law of any other state or of the United States."

So per the VSP site, a person not legally able to possess a firearm cannot be issued a Concealed Handgun Permit.

As was mentioned earlier, I would think it possible that a person could be convicted after having been issued a permit, which could explain this situation.
Posted by: Travis#

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 09/11/17 04:23 PM

Either way he shouldn't have had the permit I think. If he had held a CHP before conviction, you would think he would have had to relinquish it before he left the courthouse after conviction.
Posted by: Va Hunter

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 09/13/17 04:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Enbloc
CHP is not exclusively for guns. It also allows you to legally conceal other "weapons" like certain knives among other things. So that's why a felon might want one even if they can't legally own a gun. They can still own a knife/handheld weapon. I'm cool with it, and it shows they are responsible enough to seek a legal way to conceal a knife or other tool.. If they intended to do harm, they would conceal anyway.

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_ResidentConcealed.shtm

Edit: Also +1 to haulingman's comment


I believe you are wrong. A CHP is for a handgun only, concealed handgun permit not a CWP which Virginia does not issue is a concealed weapon permit.
Posted by: J_D_M

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 12/10/17 09:42 PM

Actually, it can happen. In Virginia a felon can have their civil rights restored as well as their right to possess a firearm. It does not allow them to buy a firearm, but it restores the right to possess one. And it is only in Virginia that they can possess the firearm. Not other states. Therefore, the Conceal Permit is issued because they have a court order allowing them to possess the firearm in Virginia.
I worked at a law firm and they did these cases. Most of them were older people with old convictions that were not violent offenses. The conviction must be more than 10 years old.
It's not easy to get, but it can happen. And the majority were trying to get the right restored simply to be able to hunt with a firearm other than bow or blackpowder.

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_Restoration.shtm

"If you have been granted restoration of your political rights from the Governor of Virginia, you may petition circuit court of the county or city in which you reside or of the county or city in which you were convicted, for a hearing to request restoration of your firearm rights. See Section 18.2-308.2 of the Code of Virginia."
Read paragraph C. in this code section.
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter7/section18.2-308.2/
Posted by: Bighorn

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 12/11/17 07:49 AM

If a person that was convicted of a felony has had their civil rights restored and had their firearms rights restored by their local court, (in the State of conviction), they would not be prohibited by Federal or State law.
Posted by: MP3Mogul

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 12/11/17 05:57 PM

Their firearm rights are restored in "Virginia" only. Virginia does not have the power to restore a felon's rights in any other state.
Posted by: Bighorn

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 12/12/17 06:09 PM

Good point. ^
Posted by: ktyhawk

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 12/12/17 09:23 PM

I have some personal knowledge of some of the felons getting their rights back. Some crappy people will be able to own guns again.
Posted by: Bighorn

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 12/12/17 11:07 PM

No Bueno
Posted by: The Corps

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 02/13/18 03:22 PM

I'm still confused by this. So are felons legally able to purchase/own/possess firearms now or no?
Posted by: Nathan Hale

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 02/19/18 06:24 PM

People who heed those advising them not to get a BOS should remember that it is not their door the ATF will be knocking upon. I speak from personal experience on this.

VS Gun Trader recommends getting a bill of sale when you sell a gun and I strongly agree.
Posted by: Bugzy

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 02/19/18 08:21 PM

Originally Posted By: The Corps
I'm still confused by this. So are felons legally able to purchase/own/possess firearms now or no?
NO!!!
Posted by: Bugzy

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 02/19/18 08:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Nathan Hale
People who heed those advising them not to get a BOS should remember that it is not their door the ATF will be knocking upon. I speak from personal experience on this.

VS Gun Trader recommends getting a bill of sale when you sell a gun and I strongly agree.


Expand upon that...if you will please sir.
Posted by: USG

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 02/20/18 01:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Bugzy
Originally Posted By: Nathan Hale
People who heed those advising them not to get a BOS should remember that it is not their door the ATF will be knocking upon. I speak from personal experience on this.

VS Gun Trader recommends getting a bill of sale when you sell a gun and I strongly agree.


Expand upon that...if you will please sir.


The ATF will come to your door or call you (that's how they reached me) if they have a question about a firearm that they can track to you. They'll use your words against the individual in court and need evidence (BOS) from you to strengthen their case. BOS is great because it's an excellent proof that they bought the gun.

You're not doing anything illegal by not getting a BOS, but it's easier for you if you do and there's some questions in the future about it.
Posted by: shootergdv

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 02/20/18 10:31 PM

Odd thing in VA - you can have your rights restored after being a felon - but no mechanism now in place to expunge a 20 year old misdemeanor if it was labeled "domestic violence". So the ex slapped a charge on you and you paid a $50 fine several decades back, no other court history, but you're toast as far as firearms rights. Only a FELONY should lose you a right, but that slime Laughtenberg stuck it to us many years ago.
Posted by: Nathan Hale

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 02/21/18 06:08 PM

Very elegantly said, USG. Thank you.

My experience is just as you described. ATF knocked on my door and I was able to provide a bill of sale for them. Partially, as a result, they caught the individual who committed a crime using my former gun.

I consider it to be an obligation not only to follow our nation's laws but to help LEO's, if I can, to apprehend those who break them.

Posted by: haulingman

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 03/02/18 12:03 AM

You can also say, I exert my fifth amendment RIGHT under the Constitution and refuse to have any discussion with law enforcement.

I find it horrific that those advocating for bill of sale on all transactions are using the same logical arguments that anti-2nd amendment people use to demand full registration of all firearms. A famous historical figure used the same argument:

This year will go down in history. For the first time, a cilvilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future !
Adolf Hitler -1935


The dumbing down of history in our schools, the training to worship law enforcement that has occurred in TV sitcoms and movies ( and some churches sadly) has created this concept that good people trust government, especially police. Well time for a history lesson: democide killed 260 million people in the 20th century.

In my early 20s I had several cops as roommates. During discussions I often heard, well I dont agree with it BUT its the law and I have to enforce it. That mentality has been carefully trained into people by government run schools. How many of you learned about democide in world history that attended the public schools ? Question, who exactly do you think will be tracking down and seizing firearms when that day comes ( and it will ) ? The local law enforcement and ATF. They will be using purchase records from gun shops and bill of sales naively drafted with good intentions. Who do you think will be the first citizens to turn over their private sales records when the government mandates it by law?

Hint: they are voluntarily waiving their right and insist on depriving you of your right to privacy in a transaction now , when its NOT Required by law. Folks a bill of sale in a private transaction is just another form of gun registration.

Fine and good to parade around on lobby day defending your RIGHTS,but that accomplishes little if we then turn around and advocate that people waive them. I have a hard time believing that a guy so intimidated by the prospect of the police or ATF contacting them, that they waive their RIGHTS now will stand with us in a real fight for our freedoms when that day comes. Cowardliness may be comfortable but it's the enemy of freedom.

Posted by: Newgunguy

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 03/02/18 02:57 AM

If I could thumbs up your comment I would do it every day for over a year, you hit the nail right on the head with that comment!

Charles.
Posted by: lizjimbo

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 03/06/18 02:25 PM

That is incorrect. The circuit court of the County of the felons residence actually grants permission for the person to purchase possess and transport any firearm allowed by law and ammunition for same. The governor does not restore firearm rights by action of restoration of civil disabilities. Firearm restoration is strictly a matter for the circuit courts. The reason they do it this way is so that the state can offer reasons that the permission should not be granted by way of local knowledge of the person making the request. That means if the requestee is on an s-list somewhere he might have a tougher time getting back his firearm rights.The reason it is called permission is because permission can always be revoked for cause. In a sense we all only have permission to own or possess a firearm because you "right" only extends as long as you don't get convicted of a felony, domestic violence, or are determined to be mentally unstable. On the concealed carry application are the instructions a convicted person needs to follow in the way of supplying supporting documents to show that number 1...he had his civil rights restored by the governor...number 2...he had his firearm rights restored by the court.
Posted by: lizjimbo

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 03/06/18 02:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Bugzy
Originally Posted By: The Corps
I'm still confused by this. So are felons legally able to purchase/own/possess firearms now or no?
NO!!!



Yes a convicted felon can purchase and possess a firearm in Virginia. Just simply read the 4473 or the sp65 before you make declarations that are wrong. Or simply read the code of Virginia...all of the firearms codes!!!

If a convicted felon cannot be trusted with a firearm why in the name of God is he out of prison where he can have access to firearms by illegal means.
Posted by: MP3Mogul

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 03/06/18 07:43 PM

No a felon cannot purchase and possess a firearm "UNLESS" his firearm rights have been restored by the circuit court in the county in which he resides. They can be restored, but any felon cannot just purchase a firearm.
Posted by: lizjimbo

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 03/07/18 06:16 PM

Originally Posted By: MP3Mogul
No a felon cannot purchase and possess a firearm "UNLESS" his firearm rights have been restored by the circuit court in the county in which he resides. They can be restored, but any felon cannot just purchase a firearm.


I do believe that is exactly what the 4473 says...number 11. That was my point...some on here are making declaratory and emphatic statements that a felon cannot purchase a firearm...That is not an accurate statement.
Posted by: Cpayne41880

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 04/30/18 01:30 AM

Im new here, what is chp?
Posted by: Agent19

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 04/30/18 11:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Cpayne41880
Im new here, what is chp?


Concealed Handgun Permit
Posted by: 2Aallday

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 05/03/18 01:25 AM

The only reason I am for bill of sale, at least for me... what if I sold the gun to someone and it's used in a crime? When you PURCHASE a gun from a dealer, the serial number linked with your info gets sent in for a background check..l whether you agree with it or not, right or wrong, how is that NOT a defacto registration? Therefor, if the gun you purchased with your info attached to it is sold to someone else WITHOUT PROOF and used in a crime, you'd be up you know what's creek because you don't agree with a (certainly unconstitutional, but in reality) law. No thanks.
Posted by: rromeo

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 05/03/18 06:36 PM

Not exactly. The VSP will know you bought a rifle, shotgun, pistol, or other. The serial number goes on the 4473 form, which stays in the FFL's records.
Posted by: 2Aallday

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 05/03/18 10:24 PM

Okay, but if it ever came down to a confiscation, number one, they KNOW you have a weapon and number two, if they wanted more info on said weapon, if at this point it's an all out confiscation, it wouldn't be too far of a stretch of the imagination to think they'd be willing to extra judiciously seize the FFLs records. Either way, as I said, it's a de facto registration... with or without the FFLs records.
Posted by: lizjimbo

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 05/04/18 10:15 AM

The Circuit Court restores your right to purchase, possess, carry, and transport any firearm not otherwise prohibited in the Commonwealth of Virginia...they can purchase a firearm from anFFL or private party...no prohibitions. They are not even prohibited from applying for and being issued an FFL license or a CHP.
Posted by: lizjimbo

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 05/04/18 10:22 AM

Originally Posted By: ktyhawk
I have some personal knowledge of some of the felons getting their rights back. Some crappy people will be able to own guns again.


And some crappy people have guns and no convictions. Not sure what your point is. I know someone that was a career Army officer. Buried in Arlington National Cemetery. He never should have been allowed anywhere near a gun...so crappy people come in all sorts of colors!
Posted by: OttoSkorzeny

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 06/02/18 05:53 AM

Originally Posted By: haulingman
You can also say, I exert my fifth amendment RIGHT under the Constitution and refuse to have any discussion with law enforcement.

I find it horrific that those advocating for bill of sale on all transactions are using the same logical arguments that anti-2nd amendment people use to demand full registration of all firearms. A famous historical figure used the same argument:

This year will go down in history. For the first time, a cilvilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future !
Adolf Hitler -1935


The dumbing down of history in our schools, the training to worship law enforcement that has occurred in TV sitcoms and movies ( and some churches sadly) has created this concept that good people trust government, especially police. Well time for a history lesson: democide killed 260 million people in the 20th century.

In my early 20s I had several cops as roommates. During discussions I often heard, well I dont agree with it BUT its the law and I have to enforce it. That mentality has been carefully trained into people by government run schools. How many of you learned about democide in world history that attended the public schools ? Question, who exactly do you think will be tracking down and seizing firearms when that day comes ( and it will ) ? The local law enforcement and ATF. They will be using purchase records from gun shops and bill of sales naively drafted with good intentions. Who do you think will be the first citizens to turn over their private sales records when the government mandates it by law?

Hint: they are voluntarily waiving their right and insist on depriving you of your right to privacy in a transaction now , when its NOT Required by law. Folks a bill of sale in a private transaction is just another form of gun registration.

Fine and good to parade around on lobby day defending your RIGHTS,but that accomplishes little if we then turn around and advocate that people waive them. I have a hard time believing that a guy so intimidated by the prospect of the police or ATF contacting them, that they waive their RIGHTS now will stand with us in a real fight for our freedoms when that day comes. Cowardliness may be comfortable but it's the enemy of freedom.

I 100% agree with you sir. I signed one bill of sale years ago and swore it was my last. I still get faces of shock when I refuse to sign from a would have been seller.
I would also like to point out that this law that emerged about Felons not owning firearms is crap.. some of the founding fathers were felons. What happemed to " Shall not be infringed",,thereby ALL and ANY firearms laws would be,,UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The anti-gun judges will determine that the 2nd amdmnt is able to be manipulated. Stalin had his judges too.
Posted by: user

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 06/15/18 10:33 AM

I do use a bill of sale form for all transactions; I only use the one I drafted myself, and haven't seen any others that provide the protection that I think is essential for all parties.

The fact is, you have no "right of privacy" as to any purchase and sale transaction involving another person, and particularly one whom you do not know personally. However, the use of a bill of sale form is completely unrelated to any governmental interest and there is no requirement that you supply it other than in response to a valid subpoena or search warrant. It does not constitute any kind of "registration" and is known only to the buyer and the seller.

There are legal risks involved in buying and selling firearms, and my form is designed to protect both parties against those risks when used according to the instructions provided. Suppose you buy a gun from what appears to be a "good guy" with proper documentation, and it turns out to have been used in a murder. How will you prove that you did not have the gun in your possession on the date the murder occurred? Bill of sale form (with the correct date on it, of course). Suppose on the other hand, the seller turns around and reports the gun as stolen to "the authorities"? Bill of sale form. Or you, as the seller, happen to sell a gun to a guy who appears to be a "good guy" with all the proper documentation, and it turns out he's a convicted felon or has been adjudicated insane? My bill of sale form covers that. What if you want to sell a gun other than in a face-to-face transaction (e.g., by shipping via UPS) within the same state? Perfectly legal, but only by following the correct procedure (covered by my form).

People who tell you not to use a bill of sale form (or a defective form such as the Texas model that was floated around here for years) either want you to engage in a transaction in which they know they're doing something illegal (and don't care if you go to jail), or just don't understand their own legal system. It's just plain stupid to take unnecessary risks; you could end up spending twenty years in prison because of a stupid mistake.

This is not legal advice, but I do feel, after thirty years of litigation practice primarily devoted to firearms and personal defense, qualified to state these opinions.

Anyone who wants a copy of my form in pdf format can send me an email -
vgt@defenserights.org
Posted by: haulingman

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 06/28/18 04:02 AM

How will you prove that you did not have the gun in your possession on the date the murder occurred?
(quoted from above)

I have a hard time believing that a member of the bar thinks a person has to prove they sold the weapon, or their innocence in any way within the United States. I find it equelly hilarious that you think a " bill of sale" proves it was in fact sold. That is not how we investigate crimes and adjudicate guilt in this country.

Forgive me, but that shows a total lack of understanding of basic American Jurisprudence. I personally don't think you are qualified to represent anyone in a criminal trial based on that comment alone. Good thing you are unemployed according to your profile.

Posted by: user

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 04/12/19 08:18 AM

Once a felon, always a felon, unless pardoned by the Governor (for Virginia state court convictions) or the Office of the President (for federal court convictions). Rights can be restored without a pardon, but there are two levels of restoration: the Governor's office through the Secretary of the Commonwealth can restore political rights (voting and such) but has the authority to say that firearms rights restoration is prohibited for that applicant, and a circuit court can enter an order of restoration of the right to bear arms. The latter requires filing a civil case in the form of a petition, and while one has the right to do that himself, my suggestion is, find a competent attorney.

Unless one's political rights have been restored first without a prohibition regarding firearms, a circuit court cannot authorize restoration of firearms rights. And felons are not allowed to have a CHP, because 18.2-308.09 (6) excludes them from eligibility. I suspect that certain law enforcement agencies are clearing convicted felons on the background check precisely to be able to "get" them when they go to buy a handgun thinking that the CHP makes them eligible. It's a trick to generate easy convictions (which is important at budget time).
Posted by: lizjimbo

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 05/19/19 08:58 AM

Wow...never heard about that before. I was issued a concealed handgun permit 3 weeks after my rights were restored and just recently reissued because it expired. If one were to actually read the application for a chp one would see the part where if your rights to possess a firearm have been restored please attach accompanying documents. Further more I have been issued an FFL license for curio and relics and have purchased firearms from internet C&R dealers and had them mailed to my house. I will be applying for the FFL license that gives me the right to do firearm transfers and sales. I think most firearm owners on these forums are on the way to making sure that we will have universal background checks because some on here have sold firearms to a guy running them for resale in DC. How do I know this...The ATF contacted me because the clown that tried to buy my Glock 30s had my phone number all over his phone. Further more anybody that shows me a current chp cannot prove to me they didn't just get through beating their wife and been charged with domestic violence. So there is very little value in accepting a chp as evidence that you are a good guy. It means nothing. The best you can do is judge someones character not the paper work.
Posted by: lizjimbo

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 05/19/19 11:02 AM

Originally Posted By: ktyhawk
I have some personal knowledge of some of the felons getting their rights back. Some crappy people will be able to own guns again.


And what makes you a crappy miscreant?
Posted by: Bighorn

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 06/01/19 02:49 AM

Congratulations on getting your rights back, lizjimbo
Posted by: Verylargeboots

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 06/01/19 10:25 AM

No kidding. That's awesome that you got your rights restored man!
Posted by: Agent19

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 06/05/19 01:58 PM

Originally Posted By: lizjimbo
The best you can do is judge someones character not the paper work.


1+
Posted by: g-shooter

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 06/05/19 02:54 PM

If I dont know you, were gonna meet at my FFL
Posted by: Agent19

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 06/05/19 05:04 PM

If I need to use an FFL/show a CHP/dance the jig etc...to purchase a firearm via private sale why do I need you?
I'll just buy from FFL and you can keep your used items.


Guns owners in a semi free state imposing CA style gun control purchase rules, without being forced to by the Gov't.
cuckoo
Posted by: Puddle Jumper

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 06/05/19 08:27 PM

+1, I agree with A-19
Posted by: The Truth

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 06/05/19 09:59 PM

Agent19, spot on as usual.
Posted by: Ar_allstar

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 07/31/19 02:23 PM

the left wants this... they want more gun violence as well as felons voting ...
Posted by: lizjimbo

Re: Felons now using CHP's - 09/08/19 03:41 PM

Some crappy people who haven't had a speeding ticket are able to own firearms. Are you one of them?