URGENT: ATF setting SELF-INCRIMINATION TRAP for gun owners who "comply" with arm brace / SBR registr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=DggOmUXxVWY


Watch and learn, you are being setup to fail, mark my words.

I hope you're wearing your aluminum foil hat too so the NSA doesnt steal your brainwaves.

Also, maybe you should read the rule yourself (and actually understand it) before trying to get people all riled up for nothing.
YouTube isn't always the best resource for everything. Unless your the type that thinks wikipedia is legit.

https://youtu.be/gfMjV9uxlPs

Note: If you don't qualify to own NFA items in the first place, then of course you'll end up in trouble. I mean seriously. If you're a prohibited person who owns an AR pistol with a brace, which is VERY common nowadays since the release of 80% items, then you DEFINITELY will not get approved. But why call it a trap?

If you already own NFA items, then there should be no reason to not get approved (provided no new criminal history). If you dont get approved, you can still appeal.

The 88 day rule has always been there. Even when you buy a suppressor. If the FBI does not complete the background check within 88 days, NFA will deny you. The 88 day thing is not something new for the pistol brace ban - always been like that for all items under NFA.

@dcarms

I’m not getting anybody riled up sir, they are free thinking individuals and can make their own minds up. The video was presented in the investigative form from an attorney (a very good one at that) I have faith in what he presented and the actions of the ATF on any day isn’t always above board. So as a free and able citizen, do as you wish and bless your heart…

I’ve read the rule thoroughly sir, and you?? Did you not spot the the encumbrance?? Shame you didn’t mention it anywhere, armchair somewhere else.
Your words breech insulting and this group isn’t made up for that, you sir are an **I'M AN IDIOT**!!!

Bwaahhhahahhahahahhha!

Lol @ GOA scaring people. This video was also done by legally armed America prior to this video. What’s “SCARY” is the ATF making laws and forcing registration. You’d think by the replies that you posted some ‘Q’ video smh some people’s kids.

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LOL right. Cause we should all listen to lawyers who do nothing but literally lie for a living.

Im sure plenty of lawyers hope people dont comply if the rule stands - that means they get a crap ton of new clients.
See how that works?
You think lawyers give you good advice when you aren't a client? T

And GOA LOVESSSSSSSSSSSSS times like these. Controversy means donations to them. They dont give a rats booty about your rights...but just keep sending those checks!!

also amusing that most people that claim it's a trap more than likely own ZERO NFA items.

9/10 people i know that own NFA items (1 or more) have no issue with the rule if it stands...means free stamps.

Again, it CANT BE A TRAP IF YOU GET DENIED FOR BEING A PROHIBITED PERSON. You weren't supposed to have it in the first place.

That’s pathetic and shameful.
So you’re friends with the, “This new, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, “Law” doesn’t effect me, so I don’t care” crowd. PATHETIC.

FYI They’re actually required by law to collect the $200 tax so There won’t be any “free tax stamps”. This is all for registration. You probably didn’t care about the bump stock ban either cuz “who needs a bump stock” right. Are you a fed? Or maybe just a fud. Those are all rhetorical by the way. Can’t believe anyone pro-2ND would make such ridiculous statements.

It is strange that a new member is going so far out of his way to try and convince the rest of us that we should trust the ATF, and that the Rule itself, (not to mention all the confirmation from GOA, and several other lawyers who do this for a living) is wrong. He's been loosing it in the shout box also, doing the same thing. He tries to link his comments back to the Rule, but cant seem to get any of the page numbers right, even after I linked the damn Rule from the ATF's website.

The facts remain, The ATF has said they consider this rule to be "immediately enforceable", and that if you are not approved in the 88 day time period they will "initiate enforcement action". Also, everyone knows how slow the FBI was at doing background checks. The FBI has now refused to do them for the ATF, meaning they have to do all the checks themselves. There are estimated to be over 40 MILLION braces in possession. Even if only 1/4 of those file paperwork, there is no way in hell they will finish them in the 120 day period, much less the 88 day required by law. Which brings me back to the ATF's own comments I listed above.

It is absolutely a trap.

100% the whole thing is to entrap otherwise law abiding citizens. How anyone can trust an agency that murdered 26 kids just to prove their agency was needed while trying to catch one dude to not be frothing at the mouth to put regular citizens to the proverbial sword is beyond me.

If you're so keen on trusting .gov agencies that have been given sovereign immunity to not just take the easy route and kill you rather than prosecute millions of people in court, well hopefully your life insurance policy is a good one.

GOA is a great group - very helpful in early days of VCDL.

Hold onto your braced pistols - I predict ATF will lose in court as they have totally flip-flopped on their own brace rulings. Pretty ridiculous for them to approve individual braces and then try to claim they were wrong and they are really stocks.

Yeah this will most definitely be tossed out not only because of their own flipping, but because of previous court precedent stating that an executive branch agency cannot make laws, sorry ‘rules’, that allow for prison sentences and extreme fines. That’s what a law is, not a “rule”.
As far as this post is concerned, GOA is only showing yet ANOTHER issue with this “293 page rule” banning braces, as they’ve previously approved, just to force a registration by ignorant Americans just filing the papers admitting they have an SBR and expecting a “free” tax stamp. Another issue, they’re required by law to collect the tax of $200 per part/receiver etc. I’m hoping Congress will will use their 90 day thing to put an end to this. It will most definitely be ended. Question is whether it will be in the very near future or in a few years by the courts, if an emergency hearing isn’t requested and granted prior to this completely arbitrary “120 days time frame”. Time will tell.

So i guess you were out there in protest when the 80% rule went into effect?

Or how about when bump stocks were banned? Were you raging in the streets?

Yea. Didnt think so.

Jesus dude....read and comprehend, dont just read.

It's immediately enforceable for 01 and 07 FFL's - they cant transfer or manufacture any braced pistols as of date of publication. they also have 60 days to get any inventory in "compliance". EVERYONE ELSE has the 120 days.

page 14

The Department has determined that, as a matter of its own enforcement discretion, it will not, as the NPRM suggested as an option, require individuals and FFLs without an SOT that timely register their affected weapons with a “stabilizing brace,” which are in their possession as of the date this rule is published, to pay the $200 making tax usually due upon submission of such an application to register. Likewise, Type 7 FFLs (regardless of SOT status) that timely register the weapons with a “stabilizing brace” that qualify as an NFA firearm and that are still in their inventory—i.e., that have not been sold or otherwise transferred—will not owe any making tax for these weapons. Furthermore, the Department has determined that, as a matter of its own enforcement discretion, it will not seek to collect retroactive taxes (i.e., $200 making or $200 transfer tax) typically required for each weapon with a “stabilizing brace” that qualifies as an NFA firearm that was manufactured or transferred at any time prior to the date of the publication of this final rule. See section V.C.
Notwithstanding the 120-day compliance period, discussed above, the rule is immediately effective in that the Department may seek to enforce the NFA’s requirements with respect to any new making or new transfer of a weapon with an attached “stabilizing brace” that constitutes a short-barreled rifle under the NFA. The Department believes that delaying enforcement of the relevant NFA provisions is not necessary to allow an equitable opportunity for compliance because all persons, through publication of this rule, have received notice that the NFA may in fact apply to their conduct. Further delaying enforcement also would be inconsistent with public safety.

Therefore, ATF may enforce the NFA against any person or entity that—any time after the publication date of this rule—newly makes or transfers a weapon with an attached “stabilizing brace” that constitutes a short-barreled rifle under the NFA. For purposes of the Congressional Review Act, however, the Department will wait to actually initiate such enforcement actions for at least 60 days from publication of the rule in the Federal Register. See 5 U.S.C. 801(a)(3).

"newly makes or transfers a weapon with an attached “stabilizing brace”

I'm guessing he's a brand new FFL.(and he thinks he's the only one here it seems). Probably thinks he has a "good relationship" with an ATF agent. He will find out the hard way.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=tK4gJeJ_CI4&feature=share

Any imported pistols must be destroyed or surrendered, but this whole thing is ok though right

Got wind of this the other day. I guess in the back of my mind I've always thought of them to do this kind of thing. Flip-flopping around with bump stocks, then this is a brace, oh wait no it isn't, oh wait, it is. In my my mind I just assumed they are going to always flip in a way that screws us, so I never setup anything that would be ambiguous.

Having said that, what is going on is completely unconstitutional and hopefully there will be enough momentum to push back. Not holding my breath but there is still hope.

I still plan on taking out as many friends/fam/acquaintances to shoot as often as I can, changing hearts and minds one person at a time. Gives them perspective so when they hear about things like this they know how ridiculous it is and can voice their concerns to their leftist friends/comrades.

who knows....

Just got back from the range, took someone out who hasn't been to the range in 4 or 5 years. Brought low recoil firearms to get them in the swing of things.

I suggest others here do the same. If we are being censored in the virtual and digital world then lets try and reach out to real people in the real world.

Thank you to all who have posted rebuttals to DCARMS posts. He's pushing out bad information in an area where we as gun owners don't have a lot of friends to begin with, and is helping to further the lefts agenda.

As a FFL and as an American, he should thoroughly be ashamed of himself. But as a clear leftist, I'm sure he's reveling in his own glorification.

DCARMS, I hope your ATF friends shoot your dog.

DCARMS is by definition a Sophomoric fool.

ATF Brace Rule will force the destruction of Imported Pistols!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK4gJeJ_CI4

https://youtu.be/RxykIwtLaHM

And Gnome is the definition of an idiot.

uhh newsflash genius - this is a tax forbearance - the ATF and AG do have the authority to do that.

here's the truth whether you want to admit it or not...

10 years or so ago a stabilizing brace was invented to help DISABLED people better control their firearm. A prototype was developed and blessed off on by the almighty ATF. Shortly after, several more models of braces started to appear pretty quickly. Not all braces that were brought to market were sent in for evaluation by the ATF, as is standard practice.

Over the course of 10 years, an entire industry bloomed from people wanting to brace their AR pistol, and everyone and anyone who wanted to slap a short barrel on their AR could now do so by simply putting a brace on it.
And what has an under 16" barrel ALWAYS been considered on a rifle...ding ding ding an SBR genius!

Here's the rub. Of all braced pistols, how many do you think are owned by legitimately disabled persons that need the brace to manage the firearm? A VERY SMALLLLL NUMBER. Or maybe you want to tell me all 40million are being used by disabled shooters.


For being such pro 2A men, you sure do cry like a bunch of little girls about stuff like this.

It's like being a young kid and getting away with something right under mom and dad's nose for years. Then one day, mom and dad wise up to it and change the rules so you cant get away with it anymore, and you cry like babies that you're gun rights are being infringed. Grow up losers (Gnome and VLB specifically).

I have never seen a pistol brace used as original intended...NEVER, everyone has been shouldered. The interesting thing...ANYONE in the NFA community saw this coming a mile away...you just view gun related item differently, as some really nice add-ons have been OK'd by the ATF then later revoked.

I own NFA items and have a huge problem with it. It’s a registration scheme which is illegal, and will likely have the highest noncompliance rate since Prohibition. Anyone who trusts the government, especially the unelected branches, is a fool.