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#1582659 - 01/15/20 10:03 PM POLL: SHOULD VIRGINIANS SECEED FROM RICHMOND?
Gnome Offline
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Open invite from our Sister State of West Virginia to leave Richmond's tyranny and join the the Free Mountain State. I encourage all to read the full resolution passed by Charleston on the same day that Richmond declared a State of Emergency, Activated the Virginia National Guard to prevent the free citizens from peacefully gathering in public to petition and lobby our elected servants.

WEST VIRGINIA 14 JANUARY 2020

HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 8
http://www.wvlegislature.gov/Bill_Status...amp;billtype=cr
Should Virginians Secede from Richmond Virginia & join Charleston WV?
%%NUMBER%% choices allowed 2 (122 total votes)
Shall Counties, Cities and Towns secede by formally separating from the union with Richmond as the seat of government and enter into compact with our sister mountain state of West Virginia? - 61 (50%)
Shall Counties, Cities and Towns accept any and all legislation passed by the governing body in Richmond, with disregard to the Virginia & US Constitution under the founding principles of our Great Republic? - 3 (02%)
Shall Virginians call forth an Amendment to the Constitution of Virginia to create an Electoral College, to balance and protect the people from being ruled by a few Northern Virginia localites? - 58 (48%)
Voting on this poll ends: 02/20/20 09:59 PM
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#1582670 - 01/15/20 10:44 PM Re: POLL: SHOULD VIRGINIANS SECEED FROM RICHMOND? [Re: Gnome]
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I got no problem giving my tax money to WV at this point. I don't want to have to keep unwillingly funding this government as it stands now

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#1582688 - 01/15/20 11:41 PM Re: POLL: SHOULD VIRGINIANS SECEED FROM RICHMOND? [Re: Gnome]
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Great news !!!!!! The secession has begun !!!!
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#1582868 - 01/16/20 03:20 PM Re: POLL: SHOULD VIRGINIANS SECEED FROM RICHMOND? [Re: Gnome]
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The problem from an economic standpoint is that WV is one of the poorest states in the Union. This is the result of separating WV from VA during the Civil War. NOVA accounts for more than 70% of all retirement monies, VA Beach is almost 20%. This is an indicator of wealth.
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#1582896 - 01/16/20 04:59 PM Re: POLL: SHOULD VIRGINIANS SECEED FROM RICHMOND? [Re: Yakimastubbs]
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Originally Posted By: Yakimastubbs
The problem from an economic standpoint is that WV is one of the poorest states in the Union. This is the result of separating WV from VA during the Civil War. NOVA accounts for more than 70% of all retirement monies, VA Beach is almost 20%. This is an indicator of wealth.


Truth is NOVA has been sucking off rural county taxes for decades.

Rural county residents pay the same tax rate as NOVA county residents... Money goes to Richmond and then up to NOVA... with a mere pittance going back rural counties. Simply shameful.

If NOVA wants all their pie-in-the sky stuff let them pay for it with JUST NOVA TAXES.


Edited by Cash is King (01/16/20 05:00 PM)
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#1582939 - 01/16/20 06:32 PM Re: POLL: SHOULD VIRGINIANS SECEED FROM RICHMOND? [Re: Gnome]
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HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 8

Providing for an election to be had, pending approval of the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia, and a majority of qualified citizens voting upon the proposition prior to August 1, 2020, for the admission of certain counties and independent cities of the Commonwealth of Virginia to be admitted to the State of West Virginia as constituent counties, under the provisions of Article VI, Section 11 of the Constitution of West Virginia

Whereas, The Legislature of West Virginia finds that in 1863, due to longstanding perceived attitudes of neglect for the interests of the citizens of Western Virginia, and a studied failure to address the differences which had grown between the counties of Western Virginia and the government at Richmond, the Commonwealth of Virginia was irretrievably divided, and the new State of West Virginia was formed; and

Whereas, Such division occurred as the Trans-Allegheny portions of Virginia perceived that they suffered under an inequitable measure of taxation by which they bore a disproportionate share of the tax burden; and

Whereas, That this perception was further compounded by the effects of a scheme of representation by which Trans-Allegheny Virginia was not allowed to have its proper and equitable share of representation in the government at Richmond; and

Whereas, That this arrangement arguably resulted in the tax dollars of Trans-Allegheny Virginia being used to enrich the Tidewater through internal improvements which did not benefit the people of Western Virginia, while the people of the Trans-Allegheny had little to no say in how their tax dollars were allocated; and

Whereas, Though this course led to an irreconcilable division, and the subsequent formation of West Virginia, yet, the longstanding peaceful cooperation between this State and the Commonwealth of Virginia is a sign that such separation, undertaken even under the most challenging and onerous of circumstances, can, with the passage of time, yield lasting results which are beneficial to both sides; and

Whereas, In the intervening years, the same neglect for the interests of many of the remaining counties of the Commonwealth of Virginia has allegedly been evidenced by the government at Richmond; and

Whereas, Particularly, many citizens of the Southside, the Shenandoah Valley, Southwestern Virginia, and the Piedmont contend that an inequitable measure of taxation exists by which they bear a disproportionate share of the present tax burden of the Commonwealth; and

Whereas, The people of the Southside, the Shenandoah Valley, Southwestern Virginia, and the Piedmont also believe that, currently, a scheme of representation exists by which the citizens of Southside, the Shenandoah Valley, Southwestern Virginia, and the Piedmont do not have a proper share of representation in the government at Richmond; and, consequently

Whereas, The people of the Southside, the Shenandoah Valley, Southwestern Virginia, and the Piedmont believe that their tax dollars are used to enrich the Tidewater and Northern Virginia through internal improvements which do not benefit the people of these other parts of Virginia, while the people of these other parts of Virginia have little to no say in how their tax dollars are allocated; and

Whereas, In recent days, these tensions have been compounded by a perception of contempt on the part of the government at Richmond for the differences in certain fundamental political and societal principles which prevail between the varied counties and cities of that Commonwealth; and

Whereas, In the latest, and most evident, in this string of grievances, the government at Richmond now seeks to place intolerable restraints upon the rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution to the citizens of that Commonwealth; and

Whereas, The Legislative body of West Virginia believes that this latest action defies the wise counsel which has come down to us in the august words of our common Virginia Founders: as the government at Richmond now repudiates the counsel of that tribune of liberty, Patrick Henry-who stated to the Virginia Ratifying Convention in 1788 that “The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun”; and

Whereas, The government at Richmond now repudiates the counsel of a Signer of the Declaration and premier advocate of American independence, Richard Henry Lee-who stated in The Federal Farmer that “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms”; and

Whereas, The government at Richmond now repudiates the counsel of that zealous guardian of our inherent rights, George Mason-who stated that “To disarm the people…[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them”; and

Whereas, The government at Richmond now repudiates the counsel of the declaimer of our independence and theoretician of our freedoms, Thomas Jefferson-who stated in his first draft of the Virginia Constitution, that “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms”; and

Whereas, The Boards of Supervisors of many Virginia counties and the Councils of many Virginia cities have recognized this dangerous departure from the doctrine of the Founders on the part of the government at Richmond; and

Whereas, These Boards of Supervisors and Councils have passed resolutions refusing to countenance what they affirm are unwarranted and unconstitutional measures by that government to infringe the firearm rights of Virginians; and

Whereas, The actions of the government at Richmond undertaken since the recent general election have, regrettably, resulted in unproductive contention and escalating a lamentable state of civic tension; and

Whereas, That, as has been proven in numerous instances, such as have been observed internationally in more recent times with the peaceful dissolutions of Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union, and the creation of South Sudan, or, earlier in Virginia’s own history, with the formation of Kentucky, the peaceful partition of neighboring peoples can occur, and, is often very beneficial to both sides in reducing tensions and improving the tenor of discourse over ongoing political and societal differences; and

Whereas, Article VI, Section 11 of The Constitution of the State of West Virginia explicitly permits additional territory to be admitted into, and become part of this state, with the consent of the Legislature and of a majority of the qualified voters of the state; and

Whereas, In a spirit of conciliation, the Legislature of West Virginia hereby extends an invitation to our fellow Virginians who wish to do so, to join us in our noble experiment of 156 years of separation from the government at Richmond; and, we extend an invitation to any constituent county or city of the Commonwealth of Virginia to be admitted to the body politic of the State of West Virginia, under the conditions set forth in our state Constitution, specifically, with the consent of a majority of the voters of such county or city voting upon such proposition; and we hereby covenant that their many grievances shall be addressed, and, we further covenant with them that their firearms rights shall be protected to the fullest extent possible under our Federal and State Constitutions; and

Whereas, Providing that the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall give its assent to any county or independent city presently part of the Commonwealth of Virginia having the opportunity and ability to do so, therefore, be it

Resolved by the Legislature of West Virginia:
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#1582940 - 01/16/20 06:33 PM Re: POLL: SHOULD VIRGINIANS SECEED FROM RICHMOND? [Re: Gnome]
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That the question of admission, or, the rejection of such admission, of any county or independent city of the Commonwealth of Virginia desiring admission to the State of West Virginia, and a majority of whose qualified voters, voting on the question, have approved such measure, prior to August 1, 2020, shall be submitted to the voters of the State of West Virginia at the next general election to be held in the year 2020.

Such proposal shall be placed upon the general election ballot in the following form: “Shall the following county (or independent city) _____________________(name), currently a constituent part of the Commonwealth of Virginia, be admitted to the State of West Virginia as a constituent county of the State of West Virginia.”
Should the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia give its assent to any county or independent city presently part of the Commonwealth of Virginia having the opportunity to do so, and such county or independent city desiring admission to the State of West Virginia, and a majority of whose qualified voters, voting on the question, not have approved such measure prior to August 1, 2020, but do approve such measure at a later date;
Then, this provision of this Act shall serve as an official request of the Legislature of West Virginia to the Governor of West Virginia to call a special session of this Legislature to provide for a special election to provide for the approval of the admission, or, the rejection of such admission, of such county or independent city; and, be it

Further Resolved, That the Legislature directs that the Clerk of the House forward copies of this resolution to the Board of Supervisors of each county in the Commonwealth of Virginia who have voted to become sanctuary counties for firearms rights, and to the Council of each independent city in the Commonwealth of Virginia who have voted to become sanctuary cities for firearms rights; and, be it

Further Resolved, That the Legislature directs that the Clerk of the House forward copies of this resolution to the Clerk of the House of Delegates and Clerk of the Senate of the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia and requests, in a spirit of peace and goodwill, that the General Assembly will allow this measure for the peaceful transfer of peoples and the restoration of harmony to the Virginias; and, further requests, in a continuance of such spirit, that any firearms legislation proposed by that body have an effective date far enough into the future so that this exchange of peoples and territory could be accomplished before the effective date of such legislation.
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#1582945 - 01/16/20 06:46 PM Re: POLL: SHOULD VIRGINIANS SECEED FROM RICHMOND? [Re: Gnome]
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The Free Mountain State is looking better all the time .


Edited by marshall623 (01/16/20 06:47 PM)
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#1582988 - 01/16/20 07:41 PM Re: POLL: SHOULD VIRGINIANS SECEED FROM RICHMOND? [Re: Gnome]
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WEST VIRGINIA

STATE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION

A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and state, and for lawful hunting and recreational use."
ARTICLE 3, § 22
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#1582999 - 01/16/20 08:05 PM Re: POLL: SHOULD VIRGINIANS SECEED FROM RICHMOND? [Re: Gnome]
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#1583015 - 01/16/20 08:40 PM Re: POLL: SHOULD VIRGINIANS SECEED FROM RICHMOND? [Re: VaGunTrader]
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Originally Posted By: VaGunTrader
North Virginia
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This is my vote.
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#1583085 - 01/17/20 02:11 AM Re: POLL: SHOULD VIRGINIANS SECEED FROM RICHMOND? [Re: Cash is King]
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Exactly...
Remove more of the water from the fish tank and you will see just how cloudy the water gets... Let NOVA really see how corrupt it has become by making it share a smaller body to suck from.
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#1585319 - 01/22/20 10:15 AM Re: POLL: SHOULD VIRGINIANS SECEED FROM RICHMOND? [Re: Gnome]
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I'm all for dividing the state or becoming Prince George West Virginia.

I no that something has to change

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#1588829 - 01/31/20 06:42 AM Re: POLL: SHOULD VIRGINIANS SECEED FROM RICHMOND? [Re: Gnome]
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GET VA-EXIT onto the 2020 Ballot at your County Level.


As the situation in the Virginia General Assembly continues to deteriorate, we have gotten more support for VEXIT – including the Governor of West Virginia! See the press conference.


https://www.vexit2020.org/
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#1961365 - 12/17/22 08:53 PM Re: POLL: SHOULD VIRGINIANS SECEED FROM RICHMOND? [Re: Gnome]
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Time to get the bills into legislature now, so when the Dems take back over, the Counties and towns of Virginia may walk away and reunite with West Virginia.
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#1962431 - 12/21/22 10:42 AM Re: POLL: SHOULD VIRGINIANS SECEED FROM RICHMOND? [Re: Gnome]
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Virginia


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Edited by Gnome (12/21/22 10:43 AM)
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