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#2050233 - 09/22/23 01:06 PM Re: Definition of Engaged in the Business as a Dealer in Firearms-What can we do together
42a Offline
Pea shooter

Registered: 03/08/23
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Loc: United States
City or County: Sterling
Hello,

I just watched a video with a bit more info on this proposed ATF change at https://youtu.be/p-Dil6YZ9rA?si=1zV6XcPkj6afQ04d

I truly want to add comments but like many where do you begin?? Has anyone started to put together a list of different comments to post
that we could cut and paste and share with others? I know if I did something like this it would take a week or more full time to create and craft.
Has anyone seen where comments can be gotten that would help defeat the rule change. I watch youtube videos but I am not versed enough to take that info and create a decent rebuttal to ATF.

Any ideas to do this or create a working group to try?? How and where with what...

Sorry for not having a solid grasp on this but I doubt most gun owners do regarding what the implications are. I know some-you die, can't leave the guns to kids unless a gun trust which is another form of registry in sorts or leaves a non-gun person to handle what would become a felony if sold improperly.

Thanks,
Joe
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#2115346 - 04/14/24 10:07 AM Re: Definition of Engaged in the Business as a Dealer in Firearms-What can we do together [Re: 42a]
Agent19 Offline
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Registered: 01/12/09
Posts: 3679
Loc: VA
City or County: 22973
From VCDL alerts


Lots of misinformation on the new BATFE rule on “engaged in the business” that will be in effect next month – what it means to us in Virginia



Journalists rarely investigate anything anymore or many are flat out biased. The gun-control/civilian disarmament crowd depend on lies, fake statistics, emotion, and misdirection to try to get their way.



Nowhere can this be seen more clearly than the news coverage and all the misinformation about an updated BATFE regulation that was pushed by Biden.



Watching the news, you’d swear that gun dealers (FFLs) didn’t have to run background checks at gun shows, on guns sold online, or anywhere outside of their brick and mortar store front.



Kamala Harris said that the guns purchased for use by the Columbine High School mass murderers were purchased through the “gun show loophole.” No, Kamala, all but one gun was straw purchased at a gun show by an adult and sold knowingly to the underage murderers. The other gun was sold to the murderers by an adult who knew the murderers were underage. The straw-purchased guns could just as easily have been bought at a gun store and the resulting tragedy would have been the same. (https://vpc.org/studies/wgun990420.htm)



The regulation redefines what “engaged in the business” means when it comes to selling firearms, when determining if a person has to be an FFL to sell firearms.



VCDL and GOA commented on the proposed regulation when the comment period opened up a while back. The BATFE has made some changes to the final regulation based on our comments, but the regulation still has all kinds of problems.



Since Virginia has Universal Background Checks, this doesn’t affect most of us. However, if you sell guns frequently to a gun dealer at a profit, you could get looked at more closely to see if you are in the business to make money on the sale of guns, even though the sales are all going through a background check.



The new regulation, which takes effect on May 10, is designed to turn a regular citizen into a felon if they so much as sell a single firearm without going through a dealer and have some other circumstances:



Selling guns primarily to earn a profit.So, if you sell even one gun and make a profit or intend to make a profit, that could put you under the microscope
If you offer to sell a purchaser of a firearm additional firearms
Selling a gun that you purchased less than 30 days after you purchased it
Selling a gun that you purchased less than one year from when you purchased it and the gun is new, or like new, in its original packaging.Or if you are selling guns that are the same make and model or variants thereof
If you repetitively advertise, market, or otherwise promote a firearms business
If you make available business cards or place price tags on firearms
If you secure permanent or temporary physical space to display firearms offered for sale, including all or part of a business premises, have a table or space at a gun show, or use a display case
If you use merchant services as a business to repetitively accept payments for firearms transactions
If you hire business security services to protect firearm assets
If you establish a business entity, a trade name, or online business account or get a state or local business license to sell guns
If you more than occasionally sell to a family member OR an FFL.This is saying that if you buy guns and hold on to them while they appreciate and then sell them back to an FFL at a profit, with some kind of regularity, you could be considered a dealer


Here’s a link to the actual rule:



https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulation...rearms/download



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PRISON for All? Biden Gun Control Order is HERE! Statistics say it is Flawed and Wrong [VIDEO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=iqJfRIdtwR0



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Biden administration finalizes rule to close ‘gun show loophole’ in effort to combat gun violence

https://www.aol.com/biden-administration-finalizes-rule-close-091331781.html



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But they are fixing a non-problem with gun shows and FFLs.



AFT report undermines lefts hysteria over so-called gun show loophole

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/...-show-loophole/



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Fox News [VIDEO]



https://youtu.be/MOKQ4vMO2k4



An expert from Connecticut on the video says, "Under existing federal law, people who have been involuntarily committed to hospitals for treatment of mental health issues are not allowed to have guns. And so, there are a number of states that really don't abide by that..."



Uh, exactly how can a state allow guns to be sold in a way that violates federal law?



The expert also says, "Pawn shops or auctioneers sometimes skirt the law because they don't consider themselves to be licensed dealers."



Proof? I have yet to see any examples of that
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#2115404 - 04/14/24 12:13 PM Re: Definition of Engaged in the Business as a Dealer in Firearms-What can we do together [Re: 42a]
Phillip408 Offline
Bolt action

Registered: 10/02/23
Posts: 173
Loc: VA
City or County: PORT HAYWOOD
So what's going to happen to us in VA?
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#2115407 - 04/14/24 12:27 PM Re: Definition of Engaged in the Business as a Dealer in Firearms-What can we do together [Re: Phillip408]
Agent19 Offline
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Registered: 01/12/09
Posts: 3679
Loc: VA
City or County: 22973
Originally Posted By: Phillip408
So what's going to happen to us in VA?


Pretty good break down above.

Plus, lawsuit will follow.

https://youtu.be/NjiSdrHtFWc?si=_KsTqES9r1XysJmg
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#2115502 - 04/14/24 06:38 PM Re: Definition of Engaged in the Business as a Dealer in Firearms-What can we do together [Re: 42a]
nvcdl Offline
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Registered: 04/03/13
Posts: 1992
Loc: ORANGE
City or County: Orange

Sadly Republican AG Jason Miyares has not issued an opinion on any of the 2020 Dem passed gun laws.

It seems obvious to me that they would fail the Bruen test. The private sale ban is the most odious.

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#2115512 - 04/14/24 07:34 PM Re: Definition of Engaged in the Business as a Dealer in Firearms-What can we do together [Re: nvcdl]
Agent19 Offline
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Registered: 01/12/09
Posts: 3679
Loc: VA
City or County: 22973
Originally Posted By: nvcdl

Sadly Republican AG Jason Miyares has not issued an opinion on any of the 2020 Dem passed gun laws.

It seems obvious to me that they would fail the Bruen test. The private sale ban is the most odious.


Well, he wasn't 2A friendly as a delegate, doesn't surprise me.

https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/v...e2-70dac47db27b
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#2115995 - 04/16/24 01:20 PM Re: Definition of Engaged in the Business as a Dealer in Firearms-What can we do together [Re: 42a]
Agent19 Offline
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Registered: 01/12/09
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Loc: VA
City or County: 22973
https://youtu.be/GSxU345wu9A?si=DrRu71RkN2WFWnpN
Washington Gun law review of ATF New rule.
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