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#1974941 - 01/26/23 10:26 AM
Re: ATF’s new rule makes just about everything with a pistol brace a short barreled rifle!
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imaduckin
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Registered: 11/12/10
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While great, I don't think it'll go anywhere. At least they're trying but they won't have strong support. These need support from the top, and they don't have it. 1 think some dont consider theres alot of folks in high places that have a stake in protecting their rights, im sure theres politicions and others in business that have under the table purchases that could be affected by new atf ruling and it would free up some nfa items also if they could get this tossed. call me clueless but its my opinion
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#1975042 - 01/26/23 03:50 PM
Re: ATF’s new rule makes just about everything with a pistol brace a short barreled rifle!
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jr45
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Registered: 11/30/08
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I'll make an attempt to answer. "1. If a firearm is more than 12" but less than 24", AND less than 4 pounds, would a brace then be 'OK' without it being an SBR?" -Don't believe it matters. ATF is no longer using worksheet 4999 and taking a stance that if it can be shouldered it's a SBR. "2. If one were to simply remove the brace, a pistol is then just a pistol, correct?" -The brace still must be permanently modified so it cannot be re-shouldered. "3. Would even having a brace then make the pistol illegal if not attached?" -Yes, if you have a pistol that will fit it...they call it constructive possession. "4. Is there a good way to use a sling with an AR pistol that creates an alternative should want to avoid any further hassle?" -Be interesting to see. This BATF link covers many of the questions
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#1975259 - 01/27/23 08:49 AM
Re: ATF’s new rule makes just about everything with a pistol brace a short barreled rifle!
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jr45
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Another question: If I have a firearm that I have SBRed and a number of braces all of which can fit that firearm, and I happen to have other pistols without a brace on them is it constructive possession? Maybe I just like to swap braces. Not sure. Could be a problem if those braces can fit the other pistols you have...definitely check BATF's site. Funny thing (and disheartening)...if I'm reading the rule currently, we need to admit to BATF that we are currently in possession of a prohibited item thus; breaking the law, in order for them to give us their permission to keep it. Also, for the $200 tax forbearance, it's not forgiven, just will not be collected by BATF at this time.
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#1975275 - 01/27/23 09:50 AM
Re: ATF’s new rule makes just about everything with a pistol brace a short barreled rifle!
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ktyhawk
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Registered: 11/20/08
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There is absolutely NO WAY the ATF is going to be able to process all of the requests for SBRs in the next couple of years. Estimates are that there are millions of braced pistols in the U.S. currently. If just 10-20% of people attempted to comply and go through the SBR route, that is hundreds of thousands of request to be completed. There is absolutely no way they will be able to get those requests processed in time and they know that.
Our only hope is that this "rule" is quickly and successfully challenged in court.
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#2005648 - 05/01/23 05:17 PM
Re: ATF’s new rule makes just about everything with a pistol brace a short barreled rifle!
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Agent19
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Registered: 01/12/09
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Supreme Court to the rescue??? https://youtu.be/btqTAYf_1Io
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#2006682 - 05/05/23 11:48 AM
Re: ATF’s new rule makes just about everything with a pistol brace a short barreled rifle!
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Agent19
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As of the end of April, only 125,000 ATF Form 1’s have been submitted, with the deadline set for May 31, 2023, to receive a free tax stamp and comply with the ruling. https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/exclu...idens-new-rule/
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#2011546 - 05/22/23 01:32 PM
Re: ATF’s new rule makes just about everything with a pistol brace a short barreled rifle!
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Newgunguy
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Registered: 06/06/17
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If you don't comply, but are still scared, I'll take care of the brace for you.
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