I think the site should be limited to those in VA before it's overrun by basement-run gun shops and scammers and the like.

Just my .02.

How many of our fellow Virginians know that you can ship to each other w/out going thru an FFL?

EXAMPLE:

This is a qoute from a fellow member off another forum that mentioned his day at ups office..I would have never believed it myself;but about a week ago I did the same thing.And mine went off w/out a hitch.

This is what he did;and I did the same thing..

I sold a Smith to a Forum member, who is a Virginia resident. I went down to the regional UPS hub and the counter lady helped me wrap the handgun in bubble wrap, after checking the cylinder. However, when I stated that I was shipping to an individual, she balked, saying I could only ship to an FFL or a licensed collector.

I had printed out the UPS firearms section, where it stated "person to person, if not prohibited by law" and the section from the ATF FAQs, where it says that residents of the same state can ship to each other by common carrier.

The counter lady called corporate and I spoke to another customer rep, who repeated the same line. After listening to her, I asked to speak with her supervisor. I repeated the UPS regs and the Federal law to her. After she researched the ATF regs and the UPS guidelines online, she approved my shipment.

[user=7667]bulldawg01[/user] wrote:
This is true of long guns, but for handguns???  I thought all handguns had to go through a FFL if shipped, even intrastate.   Can you post the link you found please?

I would say we should do one of the following in order of precidence.

 

1. Make the site avail only to VA residents, or military personnel stationed in VA.

 

2. Create an "out of state" section so that the members dont have to worry about what state someone is in unless they specifically go to that State...

 

Thanks!

I may be new here, but I am with Mall Punisher on this issue.

I would agree with his advice, but with a minor modification. I would have a locked post set up (anyone with admin privs can mod at any time...I have run a few forums in my days) reminding people of the Class III rules and also listing only Class III dealers that WANT to be listed, and recommend that people seek out the Class III dealers for Class III issues.

The last thing we need is some nutcase lib saying people are trying to move machine guns on the web. Lord knows...somehow the forum owner/owners may get hit one day with aiding and abedding. Those feds don't play around much.

Does this mean it IS legal for a resident of VA to do a FTF for a rifle with a NC resident?

1. Only FFL's can ship weapons through the Post Office.

The Department of State Police generally may not maintain dealer background check records longer than 30 days from any request "pertaining to a buyer or transferee who is not found to be prohibited from possessing and transporting a firearm under state or federal law." Va. Code Ann. § 18.2-308.2:2(B)(3). However, records of multiple handgun transactions shall be maintained for twelve months, and the log on all background check requests (which consists of the name of the purchaser, the dealer identification number, the unique approval number and the transaction date), may be maintained for twelve months. Id.

Counties may require sellers of handguns to furnish the clerk of the circuit court "with the name and address of the purchaser, the date of the purchase, and the number, make and caliber of the weapon sold" within 10 days of any handgun sale. Va. Code Ann. § 15.2-1207.

Firearms dealers shall require a prospective purchaser to present one piece of government issued photo-identification, and a separate documentation of residence, before seeking a background check. Section 18.2-308.2:2(B)(1). The DSP must generally process each dealer's background check request "during the dealer's call [to the DSP], or by return call without delay." Section 18.2-308.2:2(B)(2). Virginia law provides that most background checks must be processed by the end of the following business day, or the dealer is free to complete the transfer. Id. A Virginia administrative regulation requires a dealer who processes a transfer because he or she has not received a response from the DSP by the end of the dealer's next business day, to notify DSP of the transfer by telephone. 19 Va. Admin. Code § 30-100-10(A). Non-residents seeking to purchase a handgun are treated differently, and the DSP is allowed up to 10 days to process background checks in those situations. Va. Code Ann. § 18.2-308.2:2(C).

The DSP generally may not maintain dealer background check records longer than 30 days from any request "pertaining to a buyer or transferee who is not found to be prohibited from possessing and transporting a firearm under state or federal law." Section 18.2-308.2:2(B)(3). However, records of multiple handgun transactions shall be maintained for twelve months, and the log on all background check requests (which consists of the name of the purchaser, the dealer identification number, the unique approval number and the transaction date), may be maintained for twelve months. Id. A dealer who requests a background check in connection with an intended sale or transfer of a handgun, which indicates the prospective purchaser or transferee is not a prohibited purchaser, but who nonetheless determines that the sale or transfer will not be completed, must notify the DSP by telephone. 19 Va. Admin. Code § 30-100-10(B). See 6 Va. Admin. Code §§ 20-130-10—20-130-100, and 19 Va. Admin. Code §§ 30-100-10—30-100-110 for additional information regarding the procedures used to perform background checks in Virginia.

Firearm transfers by private sellers (non-firearms dealers) are not subject to background checks, although federal and state purchaser prohibitions still apply.