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#847736 - 01/26/15 06:46 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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MP3Mogul
VAGT Staff
Registered: 01/14/09
Posts: 6266
Loc: Salem, Virginia
City or County: Salem
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One gun per month - FAILED
Background checks on private sales - FAILED
Thank GOD there are people with sense!
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#847739 - 01/26/15 06:48 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Agent19
2A 4 All
Registered: 01/12/09
Posts: 3773
Loc: VA
City or County: 22973
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Not yet a VCDL member? Join VCDL at: http://www.vcdl.org/join---------------------------------------------------------------------- VCDL's meeting schedule: http://www.vcdl.org/meetings---------------------------------------------------------------------- Abbreviations used in VA-ALERT: http://www.vcdl.org/help/abbr.html---------------------------------------------------------------------- Great job VCDL! Every bad gun bill heard in the Senate Courts of Justice today was killed and all the pro-gun bills, except one that was withdrawn for the year, was passed out of committee! The following bills passed out of committee: SB 689, Sen. Black, lifetime concealed handgun permits SB 1132, Sen. Garrett, allows concealed handgun permit holders to be able to carry a concealed handgun on K-12 school property after school hours SB 1137, Sen. Garrett, allows concealed handgun permit holders to have a loaded long gun in their vehicle, regardless of local ordinances to the contrary SB 1155, Sen. Edwards, requires police make a reasonable effort to return a recovered stolen gun to its owner. SB 1191, Sen. Norment, requires that a person must KNOWINGLY possess a firearm on K-12 school property before they can be guilty of a felony charge The following bill was withdrawn: SB 828, Sen. Black, allows PRIVATE K-12 schools to set their own firearms policies The following bills are DEAD: SB 694, Sen. Marsden, "gun show loophole" bill goes after non-existing loophole. Gun sales procedures are the same inside a gun show as they are outside a gun show SB 768, Sen. McEachin, "universal background check" bill which would put an onerous burden on those selling their personal firearms. The only way to enforce such a law would be to also have "universal registration" SB 798, Sen. Locke, reinstates the old "One Handgun a Month" law, which wasn't shown to be effective in stopping gun trafficking SB 909, Sen. Howell, takes away the right of a person to protect themselves in their own home if they have a protective order issued against them. Such orders can be ex parte and are frequently given to both parties during a divorce SB 912, Sen. Wexton, takes away a person's gun rights for 90 days if an emergency custody order is issued, even if the order was unwarranted SB 943, Sen. Favola, takes away a person's gun rights for certain MISDEMEANORS. Misdemeanors are not meant to take away civil rights. This bill initially looked to have passed out of committee, but a full vote recount showed that it failed and failed badly SB 993, Sen. Lucas, another "gun show loophole" bill SB 1108, Sen. Puller, takes away a person's concealed handgun permit for being delinquent in child support payments SB 1178, Sen. Ebbin, a massive hodgepodge of gun control schemes, from creating a "One FIREARM a Month" law to "universal background checks" and almost everything in between SB 1179, Sen. Ebbin, has the government determining a child's maturity instead of the parents doing so, making it illegal for a 4-year-old to do such things as shoot a BB gun under parental supervision SB 1215, Sen. Ebbin, would make a person who, for example, sells a gun that has been in their family for 100 years, a criminal if that gun has ivory grips or an ivory inlay. SB 1429, Sen. Barker, takes away gun rights from someone who is deemed a "substantial risk" to himself or others. Current mental-health laws already cover this. — Also Delegate Webert’s bill to recognize gun rights restored in other states, HB 2286, passed out of the House Courts of Justice criminal subcommittee — One of the Moms Demand Action representatives was behaving badly during her testimony in the Senate Courts of Justice by berating some of the Republican committee members. She was publicly reprimanded by the Committee Chairman, Senator Norment. Just the antis being themselves! ;-) ------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right. VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
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#847976 - 01/27/15 06:59 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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LBwill1960
Responsible for all the world's problems
Registered: 01/21/12
Posts: 386
Loc: Mechanicsville,VA
City or County: Hanover
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SWEET !!!!!! Thanks for posting that Marco . Way to go VCDL
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#847986 - 01/27/15 07:21 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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coopaloop
Bolt action
Registered: 10/08/13
Posts: 125
Loc: Loudoun County
City or County: Loudoun County
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Outstanding! Common sense and personal liberty won! We need to write letters of appreciation to those that voted for the good and killed the bad bills! Don't let the nay-sayers drown our gratitude out!
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#848139 - 01/27/15 12:28 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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VIETBOY1ST
Pea shooter
Registered: 09/24/10
Posts: 18
Loc: Massachusetts
City or County: Boston
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Guns control is like a nazi control to me..
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#849764 - 01/30/15 10:13 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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cowboyt
The Token Liberal?
Registered: 06/27/10
Posts: 83
Loc: Virginia, USA
City or County: NOVA
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Yesterday, we did it again.
There were a bunch o' bills being heard, virtually all of 'em bad news. The antis somehow had packed the room full of people with their VCDL-copy-cat-wannabe yellow stickers. They got the idea from our orange "Guns SAVE Lives" stickers. Hey, imitation's the sincerest form of flattery, eh? The Moms Demanding Illegal Mayors were there in force. Apparently Bloom-boy's also funding buses to subcommittee hearings now, not just Lobby Day.
Fortunately...we were there in force, too. No external funding, either. :-)
It was an interesting experience speaking in front of a House Subcommittee. I'd never done that before. It's really not so difficult.
You know how we actually like to cite the law, especially the Constitution, when making our arguments, and how instead the antis typically like to go emotional and try to tug on heartstrings? Well, I decided, "high time the antis got a dose of their own medicine." That bit about revoking permits for being late on child support payments? Well, Lori Haas slipped and said, "deadbeat Dads" before quickly changing it to "deadbeat parents".
Whoops.
Don't you think that went unnoticed. It didn't.
SF Liberal gets up to speak. "Umm, someone said 'deadbeat Dads' before quickly changing it to 'deadbeat parents'. Hey, that's an attack against *men*! This isn't supposed to be a gender-based attack here."
I immediately heard a somewhat muffled, "harrumph!" coming from Lori Haas, who had said that. Gotcha. :-)
Bob, Dennis, and Philip did their usual excellent work. The NRA representative was also there, a rather tall woman, and she, too, did a good job knocking down the antis' strawmen and other fallacies.
The bill was tabled. So were the rest of the bad ones. Na-na-naaa-na, hey hey hey, good-bye...! :-D
As a NASCAR racer might say, VCDL "kicks gas."
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#850033 - 01/30/15 08:06 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Agent19
2A 4 All
Registered: 01/12/09
Posts: 3773
Loc: VA
City or County: 22973
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VA-ALERT: Legislative Action Items and a complete rout of gun-control bills tonight!‏ ACTION ITEM: We need to kill Senator Favola's misdemeanors take away gun-rights bill! *********************************************************** I have finally seen the new wording on Senator Favola's misdemeanors take away gun-rights bill, SB 943, and it is NOT good. This is the bill that was brought back from the dead, highly modified, and passed out of committee. It is going to the Finance Committee, where it could be killed based on funding. If it survives the Finance Committee, it will then head to the Senate Floor for a vote. Let's get cracking to stop this bad bill in its tracks! Click here to send a message to your Senator to kill SB 943: http://tinyurl.com/ppc7x6b
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#850464 - 01/31/15 04:12 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Quigley
Gun fool
Registered: 01/17/10
Posts: 770
Loc: Suffolk
City or County: Suffolk
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Proud I live here just wish we could have a decent conservative governor again
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#851854 - 02/03/15 09:20 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Agent19
2A 4 All
Registered: 01/12/09
Posts: 3773
Loc: VA
City or County: 22973
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1. URGENT ACTION ITEM: Anti-gun bill being heard TODAY! *************************************************** Tomorrow, Tuesday, February 3, Senator Favola's bill to take away gun rights for misdemeanors, SB 943, is being heard in Senate Finance. This is the bill that was initially killed, brought back to life, modified, and passed out of committee. Besides taking away gun rights from someone for various misdemeanor convictions, the bill claims to allow for restoration of gun rights for a conviction of misdemeanor domestic violence. The trouble is that it WILL NOT restore those rights federally, based on federal case law. So, this bill has NO redeeming features and we need to kill it. If you have not yet sent an email to your Senator to OPPOSE SB 943, please take 10 seconds to send a pre-written email now by clicking here: http://tinyurl.com/ppc7x6b
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#852308 - 02/04/15 12:28 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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cowboyt
The Token Liberal?
Registered: 06/27/10
Posts: 83
Loc: Virginia, USA
City or County: NOVA
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Proud I live here just wish we could have a decent conservative governor again A liberal governor would be fine with me as long as it's a real liberal, e. g. being pro-2A. McAuliffe is a "progressive".
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#856325 - 02/12/15 09:45 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Agent19
2A 4 All
Registered: 01/12/09
Posts: 3773
Loc: VA
City or County: 22973
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VCDL President via va-alert Show details --------------------------------------------------------------------- Not yet a VCDL member? Join VCDL at: http://www.vcdl.org/join ---------------------------------------------------------------------- VCDL's meeting schedule: http://www.vcdl.org/meetings ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Abbreviations used in VA-ALERT: http://www.vcdl.org/help/abbr.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Congratulations VCDL! We are at the halfway point in the General Assembly session and all that is left in the General Assembly are either pro-gun bills or bills we on which we are neutral. Today, Thursday, February 12, at 4 PM in the 9th Floor West conference room, the Militia, Police and Public Safety subcommittee # 1 will meet and consider several gun bills: S.B. 936, Senator Marsden, gives police, sheriffs, Capitol Police, and Virginia State Police the option of donating an unclaimed firearm to the Department of Forensics in lieu of destroying the firearm. If the option of auctioning the firearm to a gun dealer were added, VCDL would support this bill. S.B. 948, Senator Stuart, prohibits the Virginia State Police from providing Virginia concealed handgun permittee information to law enforcement in states that do not have a reciprocal licensing agreement with Virginia. This would prevent states that are hostile to gun ownership, such as Maryland, from going on “fishing trips” to find an excuse to arrest or harass Virginia concealed handgun permit holders. SB 1130, Senator Garrett, repeals the ban on blackjacks, switchblades, ballistic knives, and throwing stars. Switchblades and ballistic knives are particularly useful to those with physical handicaps. Criminal misuse of such weapons is illegal, but mere possession should not be. S.B. 1137, Senator Garrett, exempts concealed handgun permit holders from any local bans on having loaded rifles or shotguns in a vehicle on any public street, road, or highway. Currently law enforcement, military and any person who reasonably believes that a loaded rifle or shotgun is necessary for his personal safety in the course of his employment or business are exempted. S.B. 1155, Senator Edwards, requires law enforcement to take reasonable steps to return a stolen gun used in a crime back to its rightful owner. S.B. 1191, Senator Norment, changes the felony charge for having a firearm on school property to apply only if the person does so knowingly. This is particularly important for exclusive school events held off of school property. If you can attend the subcommittee meeting, please do so. I will have some Guns Save Lives stickers to hand out. Let's help get these bills out of the subcommittee! Here is a link to VCDL's Legislative Tracking Tool, which shows the status of all the gun bills: http://www2.vcdl.org/webapps/vcdl/2015leg.html------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right. VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
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#856690 - 02/13/15 01:41 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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highlandscot
Does not suffer fools
Registered: 02/03/13
Posts: 1020
Loc: New Kent
City or County: New Kent County
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Actually - those we label Liberals are not. They tried to change the definition and then just move ahead. Check this out - it is funny. And sadly, true. "Liberals" are by and large, anti-liberal in their philosophies and actions. Almost without exception, everyone I know who is liberal in their actions and beliefs - based on the actual definition of the term - is a conservative and usually Republican. It is entertainment but think about it. And cowboyt - you are welcome to my backyard range any time. We DO need to try to use persuasive logic and a great deal of patience and tolerance to get some "liberals" to see the light on gun rights. Glad to see you in the forums! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUhT46kx2XUAnd check this too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAA_So0d01wEnjoy!
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#861355 - 02/22/15 09:29 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Agent19
2A 4 All
Registered: 01/12/09
Posts: 3773
Loc: VA
City or County: 22973
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Not yet a VCDL member? Join VCDL at: http://www.vcdl.org/join---------------------------------------------------------------------- VCDL's meeting schedule: http://www.vcdl.org/meetings---------------------------------------------------------------------- Abbreviations used in VA-ALERT: http://www.vcdl.org/help/abbr.html---------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is the status of the remaining gun bills in the General Assembly this week. The session will be over at end of February, so things should continue moving right along. BILLS THAT HAVE PASSED BOTH BODIES AND ARE HEADED TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK HB 1666, Delegate Fowler, allows a non-resident who previously resided in Virginia to get his firearms rights restored in Virginia. The Senate made a minor change and the change was accepted by the House. - SB 1137, Senator Garrett, allows a CHP holder to have a loaded long gun in his vehicle. The House made a minor technical amendment. The bill passed the House and the Senate accepted the technical amendment. - SB 1191, Senator Norment, changes the felony charge for having a firearm on school property to apply only if the person has the gun knowingly. Blasted out of both the House and Senate. - SB 948, Senator Stuart, prohibits the VSP from sharing CHP information with any state that does not have a reciprocal agreement with Virginia. This bill has passed both bodies. - SB848, Senator Stanley, creates the "Governor's Twenty" marksmanship award. Has passed both bodies. - BILLS THAT ARE DEAD HB 2029, Delegate Wilt, allows a CHP holder to skip a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer. Again, the VSP claimed a fiscal impact due to a periodic audit by the BATFE. The amount of that impact was way, way higher than what any other state has experienced ($1.2 MILLION dollars!). It certainly gives the appearance of the VSP trying to overstate the cost to either get more money/power or it is an attempt to kill the bill in appropriations. In the end, appropriations killed the bill because of the exorbitant fiscal impact claimed by the VSP. I expect this bill to be back next year. - SB 1130, Senator Garrett, would make blackjacks, switchblades and other weapons legal to own and posses. This bill had passed out of both the House and Senate. The House then brought the bill back up to be reconsidered and the bill died by a massive margin. There were several reasons that the bill was killed, ranging from petty politics to concern there wasn't an age limit in the bill. - SB 1155, Senator Edwards, requires law enforcement to take reasonable steps to return a stolen firearms to its owner. There was a technical issue with the bill and it was sent back to committee, but is dead because there won't be time to get the bill back to the Floor. BILLS THAT ARE STILL IN COMMITTEE OR ARE ON THE FLOOR HB 1329, Delegate Ware, honors all CHPs from other states, and which will result in Georgia, New Hampshire, and Colorado honoring Virginia CHPs. The Virginia State Police (VSP) claimed there would be a fiscal impact on Virginia because not as many people would want a non-resident Virginia CHP. While there will probably be a drop in applicants, it probably won't be anywhere near what the VSP is claiming. Needless to say, the bill was sent to Senate Finance because of that claim by the VSP. Senate Finance reported the bill out, but with a caveat that an action must be taken in an upcoming general appropriation act to compensate for the anticipate loss of revenue or the bill would not become law. Such a delay is a really bad idea and the House rejected that amendment. Because the Senate and House couldn't agree on the appropriation amendmet, a conference committee has be created to come up with a compromise that would be acceptable to both the House and the Senate. That conference committee has not met, so we don't know what will happen to HB 1329 yet. We should know something soon. The members of the conference committee are Senators Garret, Stuart, and Edwards and Delegates Ware, Gilbert, and Keam. - HB 2009, Delegate LaRock, requires the chief law enforcement officer to sign off on a Form 4 to purchase a Class III weapon. This bill will be heard in the Senator Courts of Justice on Monday at 8 AM. - HB 2286, Delegate Webert, makes it so that Virginia will honor the restoration of rights from other states. The bill passed out of the Senate Courts of Justice with a minor amendment. It now heads to the Senate Floor. - HB 2015, Delegate Surovell, allows more than one firearm to be protected against bankruptcy proceedings as long as the total value of the firearms does not exceed $3,000. It has reported from the Senate Courts of Justice committee and is on the Senate Floor. ------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right. VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
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#867498 - 03/05/15 08:59 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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SMoAF
Single barrel
Registered: 05/30/09
Posts: 35
Loc: SW VA
City or County: SW VA
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Agreed, between Sarvis, the plant, and dopey single professional females in NOVA that were worried about their access to late term abortions under Cootch, when the reality is they would not have an unscheduled latte, we are stuck with a first rate Democrat progressive that has no respect for personal liberty and the 2A. Thank you, useful idiots.
C'mon, don't you feel proud that the Governorship of our great State was given out basically as a political patronage job by some Arkansas hillbillies?
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#871844 - 03/14/15 03:32 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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1966stang
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thing is if you give in on little things then they keep taking and taking and before you know it, it is all gone.
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#874707 - 03/21/15 07:15 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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P3Bill
VETERAN PEASHOOTER
Registered: 12/21/10
Posts: 1790
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Once again, a special Leroy Jethro Gibbs head slap to all who voted for Sarvis. You are why we have McAuliffe and Warner.
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#878973 - 03/30/15 01:36 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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OldBay
Crabcakia Refugee
Registered: 01/26/13
Posts: 260
Loc: VA 22032
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I blame the republican machine for putting Cugini in & skipping over Bolling. Pretty sure Sarvis wouldn't have been an issue then.
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#906448 - 06/04/15 05:04 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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JBLCVA7
Pea shooter
Registered: 08/12/14
Posts: 2
Loc: Viginia
City or County: Franklin county
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As the current regime continues to release Violent criminals from our jails, out into the population. Most of the time the localities have no record of these violent people. Most of these are illegals. American's disabled,elderly have been told your checks will be cut. America spends 395 Billion dollars every year on illegals, people in the country illegally. You can come in the country illegally and receive more benefits that someone who has lived here who has paid in the system all their life can collect.
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#906489 - 06/04/15 07:52 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Fenton1
Full Auto
Registered: 06/26/10
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I agree, Sarvis is Virginias Ross Perrow. I will never understand a liberal New Yorker became our Govenor. Ok I understand how, i just don't like it.
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#906760 - 06/04/15 07:53 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Devil Squid
Devil Squid
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Very well put. I couldn't agree more.
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#906762 - 06/04/15 07:58 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Devil Squid
Devil Squid
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Amen Brother.. Hit the nail on the head.
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#906779 - 06/04/15 08:26 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Devil Squid
Devil Squid
Registered: 07/10/12
Posts: 221
Loc: virginia
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Cowboy, That's a great article with a lot of insight that people should read. Its not about labeling parties, Its much bigger than that. Im Republican and a reasonable man by nature. The needs of the many always prevail as they should. Thanks for sharing it.
Jim
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#906788 - 06/04/15 08:41 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Devil Squid
Devil Squid
Registered: 07/10/12
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I couldn't agree more Devil Dog. I spent over half of my life in the Military in Defense of Freedom at home and abroad. It can be a thankless job. But for me and my Brothers and Sisters in Arms there is no higher calling. Semper Fi !!!! Thank you for your Service Sir.
Master Chief Clarke USN Seabee
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