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#985027 - 12/22/15 10:00 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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chuckyzfr1
Bullseye
Registered: 04/19/09
Posts: 1619
Loc: Virginia
City or County: Richmond City
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Glad to see I'm not the only one deeply concerned with this back door stab at our rights. How long before the "more than 2 dozen" states we're about to rescind CCW privileges with respond in kind? And I'd be seriously worried about trying to use a non-resident CCW to try and carry in one of those states as a VA resident....
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#985071 - 12/22/15 11:06 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Cash is King
Nice guy... NO MORE
Registered: 09/15/11
Posts: 6205
Loc: Various
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Not really sure how else to comment, so I will make a brief summary of facts as they are know to me.
99.9998% of all crime is committed by people without CHPs.
Criminals commit 100% of all crime.
The term "Criminal" is not slander or bigotry, but a term of fact.
I personally do not like Criminals, that is not conjecture. The ones I have met are not good people. There may be a multitude of "Good Criminals" out there, but I do not care met them. (example: Some might say Martha Steward is a "Good Criminal"... because she has a good sense on color coordinating draperies... I disagree on all counts.)
CHP holders stop crime committed by Criminals thousands of times per day throughout the US.
You cannot be a CHP holder if you are a Criminal.
Politicians are not stupid.
Politicians are master word-smiths and influence multipliers.
Politicians demure Criminal behavior and Criminals regularly/constantly.
Thus, the only summary I can reach is that politicians love crime and criminals... and detest law abidance and order.
The above facts, or use of the word "Criminal" may offend some (we as a Nation seem very offended here lately), and these facts may also be debated, but I will hold that they accurate until such time as they are shown to be wrong on a case by case basis.
Edited by Cash is King (12/22/15 11:43 AM)
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#985074 - 12/22/15 11:15 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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VaGunTrader
The Dictator
Registered: 11/19/08
Posts: 4033
Loc: Petersburg Va
City or County: Petersburg
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Are we fearing the government yet?
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#985113 - 12/22/15 12:49 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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pwc606
Marksman
Registered: 07/20/11
Posts: 204
Loc: NOVA
City or County: Fauquier
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Not really sure how else to comment, so I will make a brief summary of facts as they are know to me.
99.9998% of all crime is committed by people without CHPs.
Criminals commit 100% of all crime.
The term "Criminal" is not slander or bigotry, but a term of fact.
I personally do not like Criminals, that is not conjecture. The ones I have met are not good people. There may be a multitude of "Good Criminals" out there, but I do not care met them. (example: Some might say Martha Steward is a "Good Criminal"... because she has a good sense on color coordinating draperies... I disagree on all counts.)
CHP holders stop crime committed by Criminals thousands of times per day throughout the US.
You cannot be a CHP holder if you are a Criminal.
Politicians are not stupid.
Politicians are master word-smiths and influence multipliers.
Politicians demure Criminal behavior and Criminals regularly/constantly.
Thus, the only summary I can reach is that politicians love crime and criminals... and detest law abidance and order.
The above facts, or use of the word "Criminal" may offend some (we as a Nation seem very offended here lately), and these facts may also be debated, but I will hold that they accurate until such time as they are shown to be wrong on a case by case basis. Its keeps them in office and they just keep taking the money and screwing the very people that vote for them. And your definition of criminal is spot on. Call what it is!!
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#985114 - 12/22/15 12:50 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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pwc606
Marksman
Registered: 07/20/11
Posts: 204
Loc: NOVA
City or County: Fauquier
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Are we fearing the government yet? I am. Both parties unfortunately. Politicians are crooks and liars.
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#985154 - 12/22/15 03:24 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Mark S
Mark S
Registered: 04/29/10
Posts: 4044
Loc: Rappahannock County, VA
City or County: Front Royal
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"This audit and update was conducted pursuant to Virginia State Code § 18.2-308.014, which requires, in part, that “The Superintendent of State Police shall, in consultation with the Office of the Attorney General determine whether states meet the requirements and qualifications” for recognition of their concealed handgun permits."
Unfortunately, the Superintendent of State Police appears to have already acquiesced.
Having read numerous articles, you would think that the AG would at least quote stats to show how often out of stater CCP holders come to VA and kill people...So, it's all political BS and now the anti-gunners are cheering as they've found a way to make it harder for us to carry interstate while doing absolutely nothing to stop criminals. What a bunch of useless losers.
So, the next time your Republican candidate isn't 'conservative' enough for you, please by all means sit home on your useless butt and don't vote. Because what we need are more Obama's, Mcawfuls and (red) Herrings, and your 'principled' opinion helps elect them.
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#985156 - 12/22/15 03:33 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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chuckyzfr1
Bullseye
Registered: 04/19/09
Posts: 1619
Loc: Virginia
City or County: Richmond City
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Here's a link to get Washington Post article, which spells out in no uncertain terms that our permit is no longer good in the 25 states we just rescinded reciprocity with. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/vir...6&tid=ss_fbFurthermore, I'm not convinced that simply getting a non-resident CCW from a place that has good reciprocity agreements in place will necessarily work to gain a VA resident access to one of these states, given the hostile sentiment our lousy administration has exuded with this rescission of reciprocity.
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#985217 - 12/22/15 05:52 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Mark S
Mark S
Registered: 04/29/10
Posts: 4044
Loc: Rappahannock County, VA
City or County: Front Royal
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Furthermore, I'm not convinced that simply getting a non-resident CCW from a place that has good reciprocity agreements in place will necessarily work to gain a VA resident access to one of these states, given the hostile sentiment our lousy administration has exuded with this rescission of reciprocity.
I think that most states would be more than happy to take your money.
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#985267 - 12/22/15 08:05 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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BobVA
Site proctologist
Registered: 03/13/11
Posts: 5804
Loc: Dale City, Virginia
City or County: Prince William
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I invite all FaceBook users to follow this group whose purpose is to recall AG Mark Herring. We the people need to let those elected to support "our" desires that they are accountable to "us" and not their NY money men. https://www.facebook.com/recallmarkherring/?ref=br_rs
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#985274 - 12/22/15 08:20 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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MP3Mogul
VAGT Staff
Registered: 01/14/09
Posts: 6266
Loc: Salem, Virginia
City or County: Salem
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Let's organize a recall election
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#985280 - 12/22/15 08:34 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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cvilleshooter
eurowrench
Registered: 08/17/13
Posts: 171
Loc: centreville
City or County: centreville
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It is so frustrating to see if another 165 members of this board had voted we would not be here. We all have to vote every election no matter what. We need to put this talk to action and I am all in.
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#985287 - 12/22/15 08:55 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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donttreadonme2009
Bolt action
Registered: 03/16/09
Posts: 164
Loc: virginia
City or County: Chester / Alexandria
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There is no recall election in VA, you do it by petition. I don't think it takes a lot of people to get the ball rolling but it's then in the courts hands. Here is a link to some info if anyone is interested https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_recall_in_Virginia
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#985330 - 12/22/15 11:38 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Cash is King
Nice guy... NO MORE
Registered: 09/15/11
Posts: 6205
Loc: Various
City or County: Various
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So... I catch a lot of crabs.
Once I filled the pot plum to the top... really packed it tight.
Crabs and water and put on the stove... them dang crabs kept tying to get out, as the heat got turned up, but I held the lid on tight... fighting them critters good...
This a short story that Herring/McAuliff/Obama/Bloomberg etc. are co-writing at the moment.
Just musing...
Edited by Cash is King (12/22/15 11:39 PM)
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#985353 - 12/23/15 06:41 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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pwc606
Marksman
Registered: 07/20/11
Posts: 204
Loc: NOVA
City or County: Fauquier
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I invite all FaceBook users to follow this group whose purpose is to recall AG Mark Herring. We the people need to let those elected to support "our" desires that they are accountable to "us" and not their NY money men. https://www.facebook.com/recallmarkherring/?ref=br_rs Agreed Bob. This is just Bloomberg money at work.
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#985354 - 12/23/15 06:48 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Kiboko
Lead Head
Registered: 10/10/09
Posts: 1596
Loc: NOVA
City or County: PWC
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This fixes the problem of all those crimes committed in Virginia by out-of-state concealed carry gun-owners; you know, those crimes none of us have ever heard of -ever.
I'm surprised that the power of this decision rests with one man; since the 'law' doesn't go into effect until February is there anything the Virginia Legislature can do about it?
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#985400 - 12/23/15 09:39 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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pwc606
Marksman
Registered: 07/20/11
Posts: 204
Loc: NOVA
City or County: Fauquier
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This fixes the problem of all those crimes committed in Virginia by out-of-state concealed carry gun-owners; you know, those crimes none of us have ever heard of -ever.
I'm surprised that the power of this decision rests with one man; since the 'law' doesn't go into effect until February is there anything the Virginia Legislature can do about it? I thought that the law had to be sent to the house and the senate. Did I miss something? I'm no legal scholar by any means so I am pleading ignorance here.
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#985826 - 12/24/15 09:32 AM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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VAhuntr
Addicted
Registered: 01/30/10
Posts: 428
Loc: Henry County
City or County: Henry
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Since the election did not go their way this is just another way to side step the 2nd Amendment.
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#985961 - 12/24/15 02:18 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Agent19
2A 4 All
Registered: 01/12/09
Posts: 3773
Loc: VA
City or County: 22973
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Virginia Democrats Attack gun owners: GOA Herring Rejects Concealed Carry Permits Rob Bell (rob@delegaterobbell.com) 12/22/15 Dear friend: Today Attorney General Mark Herring announced that Virginia would stop recognizing concealed carry permits from 25 other states. Virginia law allows Virginia to recognize permits from other states, and vice-versa. Over the last 18 years, agreements have been made under Democratic Governors (Warner, Kaine) and Republicans (Gilmore, McDonnell). This “reciprocity” enabled the 420,000 Virginians with permits to carry concealed weapons in a total of 30 states. Herring’s unilateral announcement will result in revocation of the ability of the Virginians to carry in six states (FL, LA, ND, PA, SC, and WY). In addition, the other 19 impacted states may revoke Virginia’s permits as well, since their citizens are no longer allowed to carry in Virginia. Herring took this action even though state police have stated that they have no evidence of crimes committed by in-state or out-of-state permit holders. As the Washington Post stated, “Herring’s move is in keeping with his embrace of liberal issues as he seeks a second term.” In doing so, he is following the guidance of groups that directly advocate circumventing legislatures to accomplish their goals. This is exactly the sort of executive overreach we have seen coming out of Washington. As he has in the past, Herring continues to put the political goals of his liberal supporters ahead of sound legal judgement. Legislation has already been filed to that would address Herring’s announcement. The General Assembly will take this up in January. In the meantime, you can share your thoughts with Attorney General Herring here . Sincerely, Rob Bell Delegate, 58th District General Assembly Building P.O. Box 406 Richmond, Virginia 23218 Phone: (804) 698-1058 Fax: (804) 698-6758 Email: Delegate Rob Bell Room Number: 801 VSP Reciprocity info
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#987344 - 12/28/15 12:34 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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v8unleashed
Tactical Tommy Commando
Registered: 04/04/09
Posts: 2513
Loc: nova
City or County: nova
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The problem is McAwful will just veto whatever they pass. This fight is going to be won or lost in the appropriations bill.
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#987372 - 12/28/15 01:52 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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Frizzman
Harquebusier
Registered: 03/25/09
Posts: 87
Loc: Virginia Beach
City or County: Virginia Beach
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I agree that the king and his servant should be subject to the same restrictions and means of self-defense as us commoners...NO MORE, no less...I am encouraging all friends and family crom out of state avoid Virginia as they do New York, Maryland, California, etc and that they let the governor and his servant know why this state is being boycotted...They also need to let anyplace they had planned to stay at why they will no longer stay or spend any money in the state...The gov and his lackeys need to experience the consequences and wrath of those economically injurded by this stupidity...
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#987831 - 12/29/15 03:02 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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DieselRock
Is Mildly Proficient At Karate
Registered: 03/14/12
Posts: 1218
Loc: Chesterfield
City or County: RVA area
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Hmm wonder what it would take to get the AG recalled then the governer . Similar has happened before in other states
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#988707 - 12/31/15 07:20 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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MarkB
Pea shooter
Registered: 12/31/15
Posts: 1
Loc: VA
City or County: Virginia Beach
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I served my country for over 27 years. I was qualified and operated some of our countries most sophisticated weapons systems. During that time I was injured and had to go through 17 surgeries in defense of our country. I'm hundred percent disabled. I'm also a lifetime member of the VFW & the NRA. I am outraged on what are Virginia governor and our commander in chief we're trying to do to law abiding citizens like you and myself who have given our time, commitment and blood in defense of our country. We cannot allow this to continue that must make our voices heard like the citizens of Texas who are now allowed to open carry any firearm they have registered legally. This is where Virginia needs to follow. I would appreciate any feedback from my fellow citizens on my suggestions.
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#988762 - 12/31/15 10:08 PM
Re: HERE COMES GUN CONTROL
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coptician
Bolt action
Registered: 10/28/12
Posts: 101
Loc: Va
City or County: Chesapeake
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SEnt to the AG a few minutes ago:
Sir, I served 6 years in the US Navy and 30 years as a Virginia Beach Police Officer. Both of these pursuits required my vow to uphold the US Constitution. I took that very, very seriously. In my retirement years I watch as one government official after another works to tear down that which I and many others sacrificed daily to protect. The right to bear arms is derived directly from the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Those rights come from our Creator. As such,the Bill of Rights delineates those to be protected from usurpation by our government. They are specifically NOT gratuitously granted by our government to be rescinded at its leisure. In 30 years of police work I did not investigate ANY crime committed with a gun wielded by a licensed CCW holder from another state (or from this state, for that matter). I know of no other officer that has, either. Your arbitrary decision has no basis in fact nor experience and can only be viewed for what it is; a flank attack on the self defense rights of the citizens you swore to serve. I have no desire to disparage you or your politics. I only ask that you view this with a clear head and common sense. Realize that this action does nothing to make responsible Virginians safer; it only serves to make criminals (the ones who don't care about ANY law) bolder in the face of increasing helplessness brought by arbitrary decisions such as this one you propose. I watched a young man stand up to a very errant judge in court one day with the truest words I ever heard spoken in that courtroom: "Your honor I know you have the POWER to render a sentence on me. But we both know that you don't have the RIGHT." You, too have the power sir, but you don't have the right. A wise man understands the difference. I'm hoping you will, also.
Signed
Edited by coptician (12/31/15 10:57 PM)
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