The "MOST" secure way. Using what information from a war torn country. How is this information securely and accurately verified cross checked?

If I told you there is 1 poisoned grape in this bunch would you risk eating a few?

Let's use the most recent attack that occured in the US as it is still fresh in our minds. The Boston marathon bombers were Chenyan born refugees with ties to Muslim and radical Islam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing

A repeat of attacks similar to Paris is not an if but when in American soil yet we allow them to enter our country.


The action of some governors to block refugees may be seen as a reaction to being forced into a corner and political maneuvering. Along the lines of they already know the act won't accomplish the intended but a CYA and an ace in the hole that may be used at a later time in their political career. Hey I was one of the one who opposed that remember and vote for me.

Housing Syrian refugees in your own home is your choice. The decision to bring them into this country is against my choice. I would not want to place that risk on my fellow Americans.

The fact you look to the United Nations in matters of United States national security is troubling, but the truth of the matter is your entire post above is disturbing on a number of levels. Unfortunately, you're not alone in opinions such as these. So I am sure you rest easy at night knowing your short sightedness is in fact shared by the majority of Americans who are politically correct and naive in nature.



How do Syrian Refugee's Get Into The U.S.



Heres how the Process Works

So when we examine the UNHCR vetting process we find it starts off with little more than deciding if an individual meets a particular set of criteria based on meeting the definition of refugee. Further more, as we see below, there is not a sufficient enough process in place to vet these "refugee's" for posing a potential threat to national security because we have hardly any information on the majority to begin with.

So what good is an "intensive screening" when you don't have any information on these people from the start? You can go through 10 different agencies, none of whom are armed with any information about an individual and all reach the same conclusion. Zero information about an individual, is zero information. And that is how a potential terrorist can go through "intensive screening" and slip right through the cracks.

When we start to examine how the process works closely it becomes readily apparent the entire thing is little more than a joke. In Paris one of those killed in a police raid was a female, lending credibility to the fact those aligned with the enemy can in fact be anyone. Not just military aged males, with "military combatants" being weeded out a quite subjective term that is very broad in scope. Even journalists can be labeled combatants now. So they can hide behind the weeding out process with any number of excuses due to conventional definition alone. The entire process is filled with holes big enough to drive a truck through.

And with the kind of numbers we're talking about with these refugee's, where the magnitude ranges from conservative estimates of 10,000 to approaching 100,000 + they would have had to of started vetting refugee's years ago with the time frame quoted in the media (18-24 months) or they're basically packing them in like sardines. The kind of man power required to do that kind of vetting process in the time length we've been given would be enormous.

The cost alone of such a thing would prohibitive and thats not getting into how much its going to cost American tax payers to shoulder the burden of giving them allowances, a place to stay, food to eat and everything else being afforded to them now. And all of this is alleged to be the result of a Syrian Civil War that the United States has played a huge role in to begin with that the American people wanted no part of.

ISIS: We Will Use Refugee Crisis to Infiltrate West

ISIS Infiltrating Refugee's



Officials Fear Syrian Refugee's Pose a Threat



Senior Obama Officials Warns of Challenges in Screening Refugee's



Syrian Refugee Program Called Back Door for Jihadists



FBI Admits It Cant Vet All Refugee's

So the very same refugee's you would allow to stay at your home with your family are the very same refugee's officials in our very own government are concerned about. When being politically correct sacrifices the truth and puts everyone in danger its time to re-evaluate your position.

The fact you would sacrifice your own family in order to be politically correct is incredibly irresponsible, yet it reflects the majority of the countries opinions on matters such as these. So afraid of being labeled racist, a biggot, irrational etc. that you would sacrifice the truth and even your own families safety in order to be politically correct.

Also disturbing is the fact you're parroting Department of Homeland Security propaganda that the real terrorists are in fact White Christian Americans, not the radical Islamic fundamentalists being brought into this country who are poorly vetted with little to no true data about who they are, where they've been or what they're capable of doing.

In closing, I will leave you and everyone else a nice little list of sources which is growing by leaps and bounds on a regular basis. Information is power. The most dangerous of all men are not those with firearms, but in fact men armed with facts.

For those interested in reading more:

Revolutionary Communist Party, USA linked to Pro Amnesty

Communist Party USA calls for 'street heat' to push for Amnesty

Muslim Gangs Plunder German Churches

Germany Cracks Down on Online Anti-Immigrant Speech

Angela Merkels Response to Mass Migration Concerns

Sunni Muslims March for Jihad in Copenhagen

Muslim Migrants March Through Slovenia like Invading Soldiers

Swedes Find Weapons Stash at Migrant Center

Migrant Crisis: Refugee's Trudge Through Hungary

Refugee Crisis: Europe Takes Many, Gulf States Take None

Gun men attack luxary hotel in Mali

Paris Attacks

Paris Attack Leaves More Than 100 Dead

Islamic Invasion Pulls Trigger: Europeans Scramble for Guns

EU Response to Paris Attacks

Muslims Say They Will Make it Legal to Rape White Women

What Muslim Immigrants Secretly Say: Raping, Robbing

Muslim Migrant Rapes 7 year old European Child

Sweden: Rape Capital of the West

Americans Need to See Why Sweden is Rape Capital of West

Sweden Shocked Again as Swedish Woman Raped to Death by Immigrant

Sweden Raises Terror Threat Level

Belgium Raises Terror Threat Level

EU Running Out of Money to Handle Immigration Crisis

Migration Crisis Causing Deep Division

As Migrants Flow In, More Europeans Question Open Borders

Obama Opens Borders

Obama Admin Issues Leaflet to ISIS Warning of Bombing Run

Muslim Truck Drivers Refuse to Deliver Beer, Win Lawsuit

Honduras Detains 5 Syrians With Stolen Passports

Exploding Muslim Immigration Overwhelms the FBI

Study: Mideast Immigrants Pose Security Threat to the U.S.

Immigration to Swell U.S. Muslim Population to 6.2 Million

Obama Administration to Import Thousands of Syrian Refugee's

Muslim Immigration to U.S. is Staggering

U.S. To Take Atleast 10,000 More Syrian Refugee's

Refugee Crisis: Pressure Builds for U.S. To Take In More Refugee's

Missing Syrian Refugee Found in D.C.

Big List of Muslim Terrorists Attacks in U.S.

Obama Rejects Intell on Known Islamic Terrorists

Communist Attorney General Vows to Prosecute Anti-Muslim Rhetoric

Teenager Claims She Was Gang Raped by Syrian Refugee's

Michigan City Adopts Sharia Law

Poll: Most U.S. Muslims Would Trade Constitution for Sharia Law

Muslims Try to Pass Sharia Law in Alabama

Muslim Call to Prayer on UCLA Campus

UCLA: Allah is Great Call to Prayer

Cultural Genocide

CNN Guest: Its Cultural Genocide

Originally Compiled below:

Communism in the United States Today

Go lue!

I'll go with the head of the FBI who says he doesn't have an effective way to screen them vs the head of DHS who had 72 guys on the terror watch list working in TSA...

The process is only as good as the access you have to data about the refugees previous life. For many countries and Syria specifically we have NO data.

As far as freedom of movement, the 'benefits' that go to refugees are generally delivered through the states and there is definitely a cost to taking them.

we are F'ed

"If the US Founding Fathers were subjected to similar conditions growing up, there would not have been a revolution simply because there would not have been free thought that led the way to it.

So what will they be fighting for? Syria? A nation state that was created by the colonial powers after WW1? "

Goofball comment from a noobie. Syria or Assyria predates Christianity. They have had a couple of thousand years to get their act together but can't. 'Free thought' is just that. Your mind (or at least mine) can think what it likes. The Greeks and Romans were in Syria more than a millenia ago. The seeds of democratic elections, representative government were planted long ago. For some reason the soils of most of the Persian and Arab world don't seem to allow those seeds to germinate and grow.

Why should we take in folks who have a proven track record of multigenerational acceptance of failure, corruption and despotism? It just doesn't fit with American ideals.

Resettle them is anotherm middle eastern country but keep them out of here.

This would suggest that he had one to begin with. I believe that Fast Terry's purpose in being here is to facilitate Hillary's election and the progressive movement in Virginia with the ultimate intent to turn the state into a "blue" state. With this will be the associated reductions in individual rights and freedoms that we see with progressive (statist, liberal, communists, socialist are all synonyms) rule. IF I remember correctly, a while ago Terry ran for the gov mansion in Florida with the same intent.

Terry is all in on moving the Syrian Tsunami to Richmond under the guise of a humanitarian effort. In reality, like politicians generally, the concept has its backing in political aims. Terry was elected by an uninformed electorate who are willing to trade freedom for more government.

People need to wake up and realize that the Democrat party is the most dangerous group we face as a nation, far more dangerous than ISIS or Syrians. The war for our nation is in full swing. Make no mistake, Terry and the Dems are NOT looking out for anyone except themselves and their party.

Not looking to the UN to do any security work for us .. simply stating that BEFORE starting the US' vetting system, a refugee applicant must first apply to and be approved for that status through the UNHCR.

Laser, Lue - the video below will start to give you a little bit of information about what I mean by "most secure," and how the data is verified and cross-checked ..

Ten minutes ...

That's a convenient summary - but there's a whole host of more detailed documentation out there on the process - USCIS released an overview just last week..

Citing the Boston marathon bombing as an example of refugees committing heinous acts / we shouldn't let them in because terrorists! is silly .. The Tsarnaev's emigrated in 2002, Dzhokhar is a United States' Citizen, and Tamerlan had Permanent Resident Status ..

Using the "one bad grape in the bunch" argument is silly too - how many travelers come here as tourists each year? OMG, what if one is a bad grape - we should shut the border entirely!

Stating that the majority of refugee applicants / admittants are "military age men" is also silly. First; what's military age? Between 14 and 55? Ok, so like .. every male applicant.

Here's the UNHCR report on the demographics of Syrian refugees..

Again with the argument about "help our homeless / homeless vets first!" Ok, fine .. get out there and do it .. you know .. like these people .. who happen to be ... you guessed it.. Syrian refugees ...

"It costs too much." OK, so what's a life worth? How much should we be able to allocate to human issues per person? What parts cost too much? Are you going off of actual numbers, or is this again one of those "I heard it on facebook that every refugee gets free housing and a WIC card!"

We can go back and forth all day on examples to support each side - most anecdotal.

Finally, shame to you for turning away an entire group of people fleeing murder and persecution because of "potential" threats to our security. This is the United States of America .. I'm descended from immigrants and refugees - betcha you are too.

Your logic is flawed, but that's because your arguments are largely based in fear and misunderstanding.. If you don't like the national stance on accepting Syrian refugees - vote. If you don't like the state stance on accepting Syrian refugees - vote. Write a letter .. heck, volunteer even. Basically, you can do pretty much anything beyond complaining on the internet and be much more effective in your goals..

I still maintain that it's our duty as Americans to everything prudent to help these people (who make up what, 3% of the refugees we'll take in over the next year?) and any like them who look to us as the promise of hope and defense from evil..

/soapbox.

Lol if you keep calling my stance silly does that give me permission to call yours naive or brainwashed?

Completely does! That's the beauty of it! We can push back and forth here all ninny-like, and then at the end of the day share a magazine on full auto and toast beer glasses.

I always come back to this saying that I have no idea who to credit to but cracks me up entirely..

"You're rightfully entitled to your own opinion - even if it's wrong."

But seriously .. how is any issue going to be advanced without open discourse and the ABILITY to disagree on the most fundamental things?

You lost me at UN report. For those of us who have worked with their data, it's...poop.

Actually, you lost me at DHS report, sorry, I'll take FBI chief saying we can't screen over the BS coming from Jeh Johnson any day.

Gosh golly, it's a good thing we didn't let in any Iraqi or Afghani refugees (300,000+) then - shucks, the streets would be flooded with insurgent Taliban and AQ fighters!

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Gosh golly, had nothing to do with the point.

But, since you brought it up. The head of the FBI never came out and said we did not have a vetting process for the Iraqis or the Afghanis they vetted. Nor, were they known to be infiltrated by ISIS (or I guess we'd say Fedayeen Saddam, AQ or Taliban). We also had pretty good records from the ministries in both of those countries.

Here's some data for you:
2014, from Eurostat - male asylum applicants 70% of total with the vast majority being of military age.
EU Male Asylum Applicants 2014

The rest of the stats:
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_statistics

I was going to reply with something thought provoking, insightful ( maybe even inciteful ) but never you mind. . .

I now know another who I won't sell / trade firearms with. Some men you just can't reach.

It looks like you're back peddling while still maintaining your original intent to me. Below is just a reminder of what you actually said, which certainly looks like you're supporting sacrificing United States national security by putting it into the hands of the United Nations to me.



You sound like everything that is wrong with the United States today. This country has become a shell of its former self and you're taking up hollow space. Unfortunately, you're not alone in that shell. The majority of the shell is occupied by air-heads just like you. There is always safety and comfort in numbers and behind you stands a majority of the country. So I have no doubt you're very comfortable in what amounts to selling this country out to be politically correct.



Here's the thing about working off your back foot, your momentum is in reverse and you're handicapped in putting up both a good offense and defensive. As exemplified by your rebuttals in this thread which are long on wind and short on common sense. You do realize the Tsarnaev brothers share the same religion as a majority of these refugee's right?

And that the Boston Marathon bombing, attributed to these two young men, represent one of many terrorists attacks carried out by Islamic extremists in the United States. Which is the crux of this entire issue, allowing extremists into the United States who pose potential threats to national security. Try to keep up Beaver.



Apparently one or several American lives is not worth very much to you. Because you're willing to sacrifice national security and along with it the safety of the entire country in order to maintain a politically correct ideological stance. All it takes is one bad apple to ruin an entire batch, but some people just don't understand the difference between apple cider and vinegar.



It doesn't sound like you've thought this out very thorougly to me. Although I am well aware it took days for you to respond, likely building up the courage to defend your Commie ideology its clear you're unable to see the forest for the tree's. If one was to put faith in your own thought process about the vetting these refugee's go through, by man hours alone you're talking a huge amount of money paying people to handle the interviewing, background checks and what is likely a mountain of paper work. And that is not getting into the stipends, plane tickets and welfare these refugee's apply for once they reach the shore.




Fancy that, you're using the "this is the United States of America" stance while fully supporting the undermining of the entire country. How ironic you would support putting national security at risk along with American lives and justify it by attempting to remind us of who we are. Its ideology just like yours that will be the downfall of this country and I do not believe you have one patriotic bone in your body. In fact, one could easily make the case you support treasonous acts. Which would make you a traitor.



Unfortunately, we are dealing with a very serious subject. One only needs to examine the history of the American Civil War to see where the debate of states rights can lead. And just in recent times we've had many national and social debates concerning numerous subjects which fall under the states rights vs. federal government oversight debate. And I would be willing to bet a number of related issues will continue to pop up until some states throw their hands up and seriously consider secession. Many have secessionists movements in place already.

Obama to States: You Don't Have the Power to Stop Refugee's

Obamacare, the Confederate flag controversy, same sex marriage and even Operation Jade Helm "coincidentally" listed as occurring in states that just happen to have secessionists movements a foot just off the top of my head. This is all being purposefully forced upon the American people for a reason. Division. A pillar of Communist based ideology. The class struggle, pitting the proletariat vs bourgeois. The have's vs. the have nots.

Precedent was set long ago over federal over reach versus states rights. For those of you like Shotz who will side with the government no matter what, understand what you're supporting is trashing the old America in favor of the new. And new means different, different means not the same. And if you're supporting turning this country into something else, you're no patriot to put it very shortly. Believe me, I could expand.

When you have a nation divided, particularly when the majority are influenced by the mainstream media and popular culture to take anti-American stances in favor of politically correct thought you have a powder keg kind of situation. It has been my position for sometime now this is all originating by purposeful design, not the result of random events which it appears to be at first glance. There are very intelligent people who have a plan in mind and we're seeing it executed in real time. Look no further than the United Nations and world leaders across the globe to see where it all leads back too.

Take a good look at DHS puppet Shotz and his echoing of who the real terrorists are in the United States and ask yourself why would white, Christian Americans be considered potential domestic terrorists? I think the answer is obvious. If the plan is to fundamentally change the United States and other countries, you start by demonizing those who would oppose that change pre-emptively in order to stiffle support. To understand where the anti-white, anti-christian, anti-American rhetoric is coming from look no further as to why those individuals would be inclined to stand up and say no more.

For these reasons and more I believe this is a very serious topic, and unfortunately I think real Americans are the minority. If you possess an anti-politically correct stance, you've already been pre-emptively labeled a domestic terrorist. Imagine how the mainstream media would portray genuine Americans who have the countries true best interest in mind by oppossing this new world order we're seeing unfold in front of us? By those who are taking stances which go against the popular social direction supported by the majority of Americans who are influenced by the media?

You have to look no further than the propaganda about the Confederate States of America to see what it looks like to be on the losing end of states rights disputes. And by the might of the United States military alone, lead by the same government in question you're talking about nearly insurmountable odds. Ive said it before, but if you're with the minority you're the enemy. The majority have been drinking the Kool-Aid for so long that those who can see past their noses are already on the losing end of the debate before it even starts.

Your options are pretty limited. Either drink the Kool-Aid and sell out your country and fellow country men or be marginalized. Its easy to go along with the majority, the safe direction. But its harder to swim upstream against the current. And this time I think its going to be much harder than most realize. Serious business people, are you an American or are you sheep?

The latest mass shooting event just happened to be by a Muslim man named Syed Farook. Which should come to absolutely nobody as a surprise. Information is still coming out since the shooting only recently unfolded, so I expect it to change much the same as in the recent terrorist event in Paris, France. But here is what we know so far.





















San Bernadino Shooting: Day Two

Joe, I am assuming that this means you will take a few in at your house?

Gracious and a warm hug. So "We AreThe World", so touchy.

Here's the vetting: Raise your hand, have a fellow terrorist who speaks English lie for you, lay low for a few months, then disappear into the states like all the illegals crossing the border.

Muslim middle easterners need to be resettled in Muslim countries. California proved this week that assimilation is not working. The chief dipstick in D.C. thinks it ' might be a terrorist act'. These guys mix with American values like oil mixes with water.

Does anybody else find it odd that 'students' and 'low level workers' always seem to have a spare $1000 for a one way ticket back to Dirtbagistan for some jihad training? This is a cultural attack on the United States.

Like a previous poster noted, if you want to adopt a potential terrorist and house them go ahead. Otherwise keep them out, we've got enough already.

This is a big mistake.

Doesn't look like that voting is working out too well is it?

I am not the original creator of the following but thought it was dang funny. . ..


"Wait, they get in the country and get a free 'vette too?!

Hey, where'd all you Syrian Refugee Program supporters go?

I'm just worried if one of us had to self defend ourselfs against a radical we would be labeled as a racist and we would charged with a hate crime

Mark S, still right here. Still firmly believe that those fleeing tyranny, murder, and hell on earth deserve the consideration of humanity instead of the cold shoulder.

I firmly believe that putting the safety and security of US citizens at risk when we're at war against global jihad is stupid.

Im with shotz