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#1632490 - 05/06/20 05:35 AM Handgun ammo availability and venting on gougers
SteveThePirate Offline
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I've been seeing quality 9mm at fairly reasonable prices popping up on the normal online retailers regularly (SGAmmo, TargetSportsUSA to name a couple).

I've had a couple interactions with members on this forum selling ammo, and I have to vent a little on them. Guys, if you're selling ammo that is available, in stock, at retailers, demanding a 33% or more premium over current retail price is predatory on people who just aren't tracking availability. I'm all about capitalism, but that's not capitalism, it's theft. I'd like to think our shooting community in VA is better than that.

Am I wrong? Probably, but I'd like to be right.

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#1632663 - 05/06/20 12:06 PM Re: Handgun ammo availability and venting on gougers [Re: SteveThePirate]
v8unleashed Offline
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I'm pro capitalism, but....

Are you pro second amendment, but... as well?



How can it be predatory if the information to get a lower price is readily available and people are either too lazy or too busy or too dumb to find it?

How can it be theft if it's a voluntary exchange between two willing market participants?

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#1632665 - 05/06/20 12:12 PM Re: Handgun ammo availability and venting on gougers [Re: SteveThePirate]
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Originally Posted By: SteveThePirate
I've been seeing quality 9mm at fairly reasonable prices popping up on the normal online retailers regularly (SGAmmo, TargetSportsUSA to name a couple).

I've had a couple interactions with members on this forum selling ammo, and I have to vent a little on them. Guys, if you're selling ammo that is available, in stock, at retailers, demanding a 33% or more premium over current retail price is predatory on people who just aren't tracking availability. I'm all about capitalism, but that's not capitalism, it's theft. I'd like to think our shooting community in VA is better than that.

Am I wrong? Probably, but I'd like to be right.


Can't be theft if it's not yours in the first place. It's their ammo. Private property to do with as they please
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#1632682 - 05/06/20 12:24 PM Re: Handgun ammo availability and venting on gougers [Re: SteveThePirate]
nvcdl Offline
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Originally Posted By: SteveThePirate
I've been seeing quality 9mm at fairly reasonable prices popping up on the normal online retailers regularly (SGAmmo, TargetSportsUSA to name a couple).

I've had a couple interactions with members on this forum selling ammo, and I have to vent a little on them. Guys, if you're selling ammo that is available, in stock, at retailers, demanding a 33% or more premium over current retail price is predatory on people who just aren't tracking availability. I'm all about capitalism, but that's not capitalism, it's theft. I'd like to think our shooting community in VA is better than that.

Am I wrong? Probably, but I'd like to be right.


Some people have ALWAYS been posting ammo and other items at prices above retail or at retail. They are focused on what they want (their money back) rather than the potential buyers motivation. Why would someone want to hassle with meeting some random person when they can order online at same price or cheaper?

I typically price parts/ammo I want to sell a bit below the best online price. To get it to move really need to price it about 20% lower or better.

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#1632701 - 05/06/20 01:15 PM Re: Handgun ammo availability and venting on gougers [Re: v8unleashed]
SteveThePirate Offline
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Originally Posted By: v8unleashed
I'm pro capitalism, but....

Are you pro second amendment, but... as well?


You're right. I'm pro 2A, but I also believe in severe punishment for people who use guns in illegal or immoral ways. Oh well, call me a hypocrite if you will. My point is that gouging ISN'T capitalism. I appreciate the attempt to undermine my point by making a false equivalency. You're more than welcome to disagree.

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#1632708 - 05/06/20 01:17 PM Re: Handgun ammo availability and venting on gougers [Re: nvcdl]
SteveThePirate Offline
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NVCDL:
I'd totally understand people wanting their money back. However, since I haven't seen 9mm being sold online for anywhere near prices that some members are asking, I greatly doubt that they are just trying to get their money back. They're hoping to find people who are unaware that ammo is available through normal channels.

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#1632709 - 05/06/20 01:18 PM Re: Handgun ammo availability and venting on gougers [Re: Verylargeboots]
SteveThePirate Offline
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Originally Posted By: Verylargeboots
Originally Posted By: SteveThePirate
I've been seeing quality 9mm at fairly reasonable prices popping up on the normal online retailers regularly (SGAmmo, TargetSportsUSA to name a couple).

I've had a couple interactions with members on this forum selling ammo, and I have to vent a little on them. Guys, if you're selling ammo that is available, in stock, at retailers, demanding a 33% or more premium over current retail price is predatory on people who just aren't tracking availability. I'm all about capitalism, but that's not capitalism, it's theft. I'd like to think our shooting community in VA is better than that.

Am I wrong? Probably, but I'd like to be right.


Can't be theft if it's not yours in the first place. It's their ammo. Private property to do with as they please


You are absolutely right, they can do as they please. And so can I in calling out their BS.

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#1632711 - 05/06/20 01:30 PM Re: Handgun ammo availability and venting on gougers [Re: SteveThePirate]
v8unleashed Offline
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Originally Posted By: SteveThePirate

You're right. I'm pro 2A, but I also believe in severe punishment for people who use guns in illegal or immoral ways. Oh well, call me a hypocrite if you will. My point is that gouging ISN'T capitalism. I appreciate the attempt to undermine my point by making a false equivalency. You're more than welcome to disagree.


Not a false equivalency at all. People who claim to be "pro second amendment but" usually follow up in favor of some "reasonable restriction" on what is quintessentially second amendment protected activity (like supporting mag capacity limits). Similarly, you are claiming to be pro capitalism but then criticizing what is quintessentially capitalistic activity (trying to maximize one's price at what the market will bear). In other words, I'm comparing apples to apples.

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#1632719 - 05/06/20 01:48 PM Re: Handgun ammo availability and venting on gougers [Re: SteveThePirate]
SteveThePirate Offline
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V8, I disagree in that I don't believe that gouging is a capitalist practice in that it attempts to artificially alter the market. Again, you're free to disagree.

I'm 100% on board with removing regulation from what should be a free market. I'm also for tax exempt nukes for toddlers on the 2A side. Appreciate your input even if we disagree.

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#1633751 - 05/08/20 05:26 PM Re: Handgun ammo availability and venting on gougers [Re: SteveThePirate]
nvcdl Offline
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Originally Posted By: SteveThePirate
NVCDL:
I'd totally understand people wanting their money back. However, since I haven't seen 9mm being sold online for anywhere near prices that some members are asking, I greatly doubt that they are just trying to get their money back. They're hoping to find people who are unaware that ammo is available through normal channels.


Most of the for sale posts on the board are priced over retail - people are silly.


Edited by nvcdl (05/08/20 05:26 PM)

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#1659653 - 07/17/20 09:59 PM Re: Handgun ammo availability and venting on gougers [Re: SteveThePirate]
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Edited by Goldie2 (07/17/20 10:00 PM)
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#1660462 - 07/21/20 07:09 PM Re: Handgun ammo availability and venting on gougers [Re: SteveThePirate]
MP3Mogul Offline
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I, personally, dont look at it as gouging. Some people don't want to order online at all... they want to get it right then and have it in their hands.

My local stores have 0 9mm ammo available... luckily I've been a reloader for 40 years and I don't need to purchase any. With that said.... if person A has a product and advertises the price they want for it, and person B says yes, I would like to purchase it, that is not gouging. I view this as supply and demand. If a person doesn't want to purchase it, they simply move on and don't purchase it.
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#1661515 - 07/26/20 02:01 PM Re: Handgun ammo availability and venting on gougers [Re: SteveThePirate]
chwebmaker Offline
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Registered: 02/15/10
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Loc: Haymarket, Virginia
City or County: Haymarket
I looked at Gunbroker today, prices for a case of 9MM FMJ range ammo is going for $450 - $500. Its supply and demand. Gun purchases are double what they were this time last year and the demand for ammo has skyrocketed. Also, there is a copper shortage going on for ammo components as many of the copper mines have been shut down due to covid since april. I'm betting that ammo prices will continue to go up.

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#1661612 - 07/26/20 09:36 PM Re: Handgun ammo availability and venting on gougers [Re: SteveThePirate]
panic788 Offline
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Registered: 08/29/13
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Loc: NOVA
City or County: Alexandria
I definitely have seen the prices continue to go up, and folks are not only buying it, they are reselling it for more. Can't see why ammo manufacturers wouldn't continue to allow the gravy train to continue. Make half as much ammo, and still make the same amount of money as before. The prices continue to rise. The profits continue to grow. And once a round of 556 makes it to 2 bucks a bullet, everyone will talk about how they bought cheap and stacked it deep at a $1 a bullet.

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#1661626 - 07/27/20 12:38 AM Re: Handgun ammo availability and venting on gougers [Re: SteveThePirate]
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The only reason a person would be buying ammo during these crazy times is because they didn't learn during the last 20-plus years of panics.

You can't come on here and complaining about people trying to make money off of their forward thinking just because you didn't think far enough ahead to cover yourself during the next panic. This should be a learning opportunity for anyone not already reloading, but it never is.

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